Re: Is Evolution or natural selection the driving force?

On May 11, 10:25 am, trader100 <Stephan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 11, 5:59 pm, unrestrained_h...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Anything that happens is either intentional or non-intentional.

Yes. But non-intentional is not synonymous with random.

"random" isn't a concept ,only you can have concepts because you're
conscious.

"Random" isn't a concept? This comes as news to mathematicians
everywhere.

Your concept is encoded for transmission to me signal
receiver for decoding.

You mean... words have meanings?

Yes, as used by most people.

 Random, selection, accumulation are used in
many contexts to encode for different concepts.

Words mean different things in different contexts. Yes.

Most people talk about a word's meaning or definition, not encoding
for concepts.

The concept you have
is the issue, what DAwkins ,Darwin and Wilkins are doing is making the
words and their 99% usual definitions undefined,

Many words have uncommon meanings when used in a technical field, yes.
"Button" means very different things for a seamstress and a phone
technician. Why do you think that's a problem?

thus the encoding/
decoding procedure no longer works,

Curiously, biologists can communicate just fine. It is only a
Creationist who thinks that his poor grasp of English constrains
reality who has trouble with it.

just like if Russia suddenly
decides that Ethernet isn't variable frame rates anymore. For example
Wilkins have stated that ordinary language with its volition isn't
suited to discussing evolution or something to that effect.

Please don't paraphrase other people; you do do it neither well nor
honestly.

Just... don't.

IF the
quote isn't exact then ask him to setup a wiki where he defines what
he means with "Evolution", "selection" etc...

We already know what it means. And dictionaries, encyclopedias, and
textbooks are all readily available.
<shrug>
Not our fault if you are ineducable.


The selectionist camp who dominate the universities have specific
beliefs about language and just likehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi
Islam has lots of money behind it with which they force their beliefs
on everybody else through power and control of government funds.

Also, being able to actually affect reality by curing diseases and
making toys and tools makes their case more compelling. You know,
because scientists actually understand how things work.

The
mock and laugh at thousands of Xtians denying their faith in Christ by
saying "selection" - selection what? Jesus said that for every idle
word that man shall speak he will give account of in the day of
judgement.

Did Jesus say that his followers should be linguistically inept?


All the Romans wanted the Xtains to say is "Caesar is Lord". They
refused and were tortured to death.

And yet many scientists are theists, and many more theists have no
trouble with science.

Medical students doing a course in
evolution are denying Christ,

No, they're learning how reality works. If you deny verifiable data,
then you are denier the handiwork of any creator deities there might
be. It's *your problem if you prefer your interpretation of ancient
myths over reality. If they conflict, that's not the problem of
science. Nor, as far as I can tell, with religion.

you can't become a doctor and remain
saved.

Bwahahaha!
"Verily, verily, you must be an ignorant dufus to enter the Kingdom of
Heaven."

I don't remember that verse.

You must either deny Christ or forget about becoming a doctor.
One can't have one set of beliefs at university and another on
Sunday.

Why don't you go to church on Saturday? You know - the Sabbath. Don't
believe the bible?


After the storm there was a selection of rocks left on the mountain.
-  no intent.  --- (Example A)  1% usage
After the mountain climbers arranged a selection of rocks they made a
fire  -  intent.  -- (Example B) 99% the usual meaning.

Then there was a tremor, and the rocks were thrown from the mountain.
No intent implied, but inferred by obsessive concrete thinkers.
Normal usage - 99%


When hydrogen gas is sufficiently heated in the presence of oxygen,
combustion happens and produces much more heat and water. Do you think
this is random?

http://celestialmechanic.com/iidb.htm

I didn't see any answers to the question there.


Random has many (related) meanings, depending on the
context.

Agreed

So what's your grief with the idea of random mutations?

Kermit

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