Re: Fact -- a useless concept
- From: Ivar Ylvisaker <ylvisaki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 03:53:04 GMT
Devils Advocaat wrote:
On 2 Apr, 18:04, Ivar Ylvisaker <ylvis...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ernest Major wrote:If atoms are simply theoretical elements, then how come we can capture
Do you also object to describing the existence of atoms (and electrons,Yes.
and protons, and neutrons) as a fact; to describing the cause of disease
by microorganisms (and viruses) as a fact; to describing the earth as
(roughly) spherical, and the solar system as heliocentric as facts; to
describing the source of energy emitted by the sun as due to nuclear
fusion as a fact, to describing the Yellowstone caldera as due to a very
large volcanic eruption as a fact, etc. If not, on what grounds do you
make the distinction.
Atoms, viruses, etc. are elements of theories. In the terminology of
the philosophy of science, they are "theoretical."
images of them?
http://www.sfc.fr/material/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/materials/public/STM_intro.htm
And here is an image of a molecule of naphthalocyanine
http://www.gizmag.com/go/7920/picture/37092/
If viruses are simply theoretical elements, then how come we can also
capture images of them?
http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/Hardin/md/cdc/8160.html
We are not observing the atoms, molecule, and viruses directly. What we
are observing are images of these objects made with with Scanning
Tunneling Microscopes (STM) and a transmission electron microscope
(TEM). It is these images that are our facts, our data. We can't see
the targets themselves.
These microscopes are complex electronic devices. They don't work at
all like our eyes. It is these devices that are the links between the
images that are our data and the target objects. Our knowledge of the
targets depends the images and on our understanding of the theories of
operation of these devices. If we discovered that our understanding of
the theories behind these devices was flawed or incomplete -- and that
is certainly possible -- the images wouldn't change but our
understanding of the targets would. The targets are theoretical because
our understanding of them depends on our understanding of the theories
behind the imaging equipment.
To say that something is theoretical does not mean that the existence of
that something in some form is questioned. And we don't need a picture
of an object to recognize that a theory incorporating that object is
useful. The structure of DNA was discovered using X-ray diffraction
images, which don't look at all like DNA. The existence of atoms was
based on theories needed to explain observed phenomena and not on any
picture of what atoms looked like.
Ivar
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