Re: Noah's Boat. God's Design.


"TomS" <TomS_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:22:17 -0500, in article
<Gs3tl.9207$%54.4496@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Suzanne stated..."


"TomS" <TomS_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:21:00 GMT, in article
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stated..."

On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:13:29 -0600, "Suzanne" <shiloh7@xxxxxxxxx>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:


"TomS" <TomS_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message=20
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"On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:20:14 -0800, in article
<HaGol.17597$yr3.13251@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mike Painter=20
stated..."

Suzanne wrote:
[...snip...]
An interesting
feature of the shape of the ark, is that it was rectangular,
according to the dimensions given.
The dimensions given area a length, width, and height.
If I gave you dimensions for a boat would you assume that it
was
rectangular?
The Queen Mary is 975.2 x 118.6ft. Is it a rectangle?
A canoe is 13 feet long, is it a rectangle.
That shape was made up in recent times to try to make up for
the=20
lack of
space while ignoring how a barge does in rough water.

My 17 foot inflatable was essentially flat bottomed. Rather
than=20
ride in it
during even moderate swells my students would usually swim back
to=20
the beach
becasue they got sea sick so fast.

Some scientists made
a small test model of it to scale and floated it in some
water. They made big waves to see what it would do, and
that particular shape righted itself straight into a wave,
rather than the wave capsizing it from the side. Every
time a wave came to the model, it turned and nosed into
the wave, automatically, thus avoiding being turned over.


No it didn't.
Any boat, barge, or box will turn the long side parallel to the
wave=20
motion
if not under power. Basic physical laws drive a buoyant
object=20
towards its
lowest energy state, and roll motion has the least inertia.

Anybody who has ever been on a boat that has lost power knows
this.
Anybody who has come through low surf in a small boat knows
this.


I'd have to confuse Suzanne with the word inane again if I
talked=20
about an
unpowered vessal turning into a wave.


I'm not familiar with boats - certainly not big wooden floating
unpowered unsteerable boxes - but not only would my guess be
that
the box would align crosswise to the waves, but that it would
very
likely roll over.

According to ship builders, the ratio of the length times the
width, times the height of the structure, indicates an advanced
knowledge of ship building, since that is the safest ratio for
a craft to have in order to avoid turning over.

Rubbish.

I would have to have some authoritative references before I'd
believe that this is the safest ration for a craft to have in
order to avoid turning over.

I don't know the references to give you right off hand,
but if you can envision something the shape of a shoebox
being loaded until it fits low the water, you will see that
it would be hard to turn that shape over.

I'd think that increasing two dimensions (length and width) and
decreasing one dimension (height) would generally increase the
stability and resistance to being flipped over by a wave.

The Ark's ratio was 300 by 50 by 30. I'd guess that 300 by 100
by 10 would be better, and 300 by 300 by 1 even better. But, as
I said, I'm not a naval engineer, so I'd like to hear.

30 by 5 by 3 is a scaled down version of 300 by 50 by 30, so
you could easily find something that shape and play with it
in a sink to imagine what it would be like. And you'd also
need to consider the heaviness of the cargo, and I think it
might be hard to imagine how deep it would sit in the water.


It would have
to have tilted more than 90 degrees in order to turn over in
the water. The ratio was 30 by 5 by 3. Suppose that the rows
of o's and spaces between the lines represent the height and
the thirty "o's" the length, etc. As you can see, the shape
would not easily capsize, and the degree that it would have
to tilt in order to turn over would not be very likely:

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
~~~~ oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~~~
~~~~ oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~~~

How many degrees would it take to flip over a Ark of dimensions:

a) 300 by 50 by 30?
b) 300 by 100 by 10?
c) 300 by 300 by 1?

Since the ark is the "a" you list, that's the only one
the scientists were discussing. I don't know about
the others. I just found this interesting webpage
about the ark if you are interested in seeing a drawing
of the gigantic size of the ark.
http://www.manavai.com/articles/art1.htm

Suzanne


I remind you of what you had to say:

According to ship builders, the ratio of the length times the
width, times the height of the structure, indicates an advanced
knowledge of ship building, since that is the safest ratio for
a craft to have in order to avoid turning over.

And I remind you of what I was questioning (by the way, sorry for
the typo "ration" for "ratio"):

What do you want me to say? According to what you
are asking, only recreating the flood of Noah would
verify the event for you. But what good would that
do you, since it already did happen? If you saw it
before your very eyes and were bobbing up and down
in the water while a very few people who had decided
to trust God were in the ark, what would you say after
it was too late for you to get into the ark? I believe?

I would have to have some authoritative references before I'd
believe that this is the safest ration for a craft to have in
order to avoid turning over.

I've given you references, showing the greatest
tilts of the vessel that would have to be achieved
in order for it to capsize. Now, what else can be
done to show you that it would not be very likely
to capsize? Can't you picture that an ark in the
water, full of animals and people would displace
water in such a way as to partly be underwater,
and that it would sit low enough to be difficult to
capsize, if rectangular in shape as it appears to be
in the description. (Ark means "chest" and we have
ancient Egyptian chests in existence known to be
arks.)

Suzanne

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