Re: The correct definition.

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What should be the correct definition for evolution?

"The processes that allows life to continue despite the
conditions on the earth. These conditions allow adaptations to
take place in a linear fashion thereby allowing the original
kind to survive and have many sub-kinds that are each one after
their original kind"

There is no strong evidence supporting the idea that there was
more than one "original kind."

There was more then one kind. Science is on the wrong track IMHO.
Science has over looked something or there is something yet to be
discovered that will bring what we already know in better focus.

In fact i see two (possibly three with the Cambrian) separate and
distinct creations. The first creation much larger and much older
with many created kinds that gave rise to others after their own
kind. These created kinds adapted as the earth changed over the
eons. Some survived the meteorite impacts, the ice ages, and the
upheavals the earth has suffered to continue the life cycle.

Then, a second (or possibly third) creation in the garden of Eden
as described in the Hebrew bible (and other texts) which happened
much latter. This second creation marks the last eon or earth age
that we are currently in. We seem to be living during the last
part of the final eon according to some traditions. For instance,
the Myan's traditions to name but one.

Most do not want to admit these records the ancients left behind
have some truth to them. So by you clinging on to this relativly
'new' idea of evolution you only hinder science in it's discovery
of exactly what has happened in the past.

Pure bilge.  Unsubstantiated opinion based mostly on a fevered
imagination. You offer no analysis whatever.

Not true. The texts substantiate and are here.

What reason is there for what is recorded to be a lie? Why would
these ancient peoples take heavy stone, sit down and carve these
stones with stories? Just to lie to you all these years latter?
Highly unlikely.

Humans tell stories.  It's what we do.

Which does not mean the stories are not based on some type of truth

And that's why we need to interpret them in the light of forensic
evidence.  That can help us determine what kind of truth they are
based on.

Well, i agree to a point.  But forensic evidence is not always going to be
available. So do you toss the baby out with the bath water because there is
no forensic evidence available? No. You look for other ways to prove or
disprove the information.

Then there is that lingering question that no one wants to address.

WHY would they lie? Why would they bother to lie?

And please do not use that tired rationalization that they did not know they
were lying because the end result is the information is wrong when you
rationalize it that way. But that is simply not the case. There is too much
of it saying the same basic things for all of it to be inaccurate and wrong.




A) stories travel. They are there to be told. Traders take them with
them, as do missionaries, mercenaries and other "geographically
mobile" groups. So certain themes spread like an infection, adopting
to local hosts. Someone tells you that a friend heard from a friend of
his that he took a hitchhiker in the car, who turned out to have died
year ago. When you retell the story, it becomes a friend of a friend
of yours, France becomes Scotland, the Peugeot an Austin.

B) Stories address invariant human needs to make sense of their
environment. similar environments result in invariant
observations. Invariant traits of human psychology deal with these
observations in similar ways. People suffer from a catastrophic event.
Even today, there are lots of local floods that cause devastation.
after such an event, people look for meaning. One answer has always
been: Maybe it was all our fault, maybe it is punishment (Freud has
something to say about hwy we go for this explanation as a "sense
making activity". Especially if a powerful group has to gain from this
interpretation, it can become official.

c) limited experience makes for tall tales. For populations that
never travel beyond the next valley, a major flood "does" cover all
their world. They do not lie, they tell it as they see it.


d) social animals compete with their stories. Traveler A, in a tavern
far away from home: last year, e had a really big flood, I tel you, i
lost all my animals. Local B, not to be outdone; you should have been
here two years ago. Now THAT was a flood, you wimps could not have
coped with it. It killed almost all our herds. Grandfather C: Hah,
young people today. Nothing of this was like the great flood of '23.
Now THAT one was really huge. They don't do them like that these
days, but when I was young, we had REAL floods. It covered the whole
world, so I swear. Traveler A , annoyed for being upstaged and a bit
of a clever one asks nastily: but if the whole world was covered, how
comes that there are still animals alive? Grandfather B: well, they
took them on a boat, stands to reason....

traveler A, on his return home, tells the story of the great flood of
which he heard during travels to foreign and strange lands....

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