Re: The correct definition.

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What should be the correct definition for evolution?

"The processes that allows life to continue despite the
conditions on the earth. These conditions allow adaptations to
take place in a linear fashion thereby allowing the original
kind to survive and have many sub-kinds that are each one after
their original kind"

There is no strong evidence supporting the idea that there was
more than one "original kind."

There was more then one kind. Science is on the wrong track IMHO.
Science has over looked something or there is something yet to be
discovered that will bring what we already know in better focus.

In fact i see two (possibly three with the Cambrian) separate and
distinct creations. The first creation much larger and much older
with many created kinds that gave rise to others after their own
kind. These created kinds adapted as the earth changed over the
eons. Some survived the meteorite impacts, the ice ages, and the
upheavals the earth has suffered to continue the life cycle.

Then, a second (or possibly third) creation in the garden of Eden
as described in the Hebrew bible (and other texts) which happened
much latter. This second creation marks the last eon or earth age
that we are currently in. We seem to be living during the last
part of the final eon according to some traditions. For instance,
the Myan's traditions to name but one.

Most do not want to admit these records the ancients left behind
have some truth to them. So by you clinging on to this relativly
'new' idea of evolution you only hinder science in it's discovery
of exactly what has happened in the past.

Pure bilge. Unsubstantiated opinion based mostly on a fevered
imagination. You offer no analysis whatever.

Not true. The texts substantiate and are here.

What reason is there for what is recorded to be a lie? Why would
these ancient peoples take heavy stone, sit down and carve these
stones with stories? Just to lie to you all these years latter?
Highly unlikely.

Humans tell stories. It's what we do.

Which does not mean the stories are not based on some type of truth

And that's why we need to interpret them in the light of forensic
evidence. That can help us determine what kind of truth they are
based on.

Well, i agree to a point. But forensic evidence is not always going to be
available. So do you toss the baby out with the bath water because there is
no forensic evidence available? No. You look for other ways to prove or
disprove the information.

Then there is that lingering question that no one wants to address.

WHY would they lie? Why would they bother to lie?

And please do not use that tired rationalization that they did not know they
were lying because the end result is the information is wrong when you
rationalize it that way. But that is simply not the case. There is too much
of it saying the same basic things for all of it to be inaccurate and wrong.



What we see is general evolution punctuated by some rather severe
catastrophes. The Cambrian explosion (so-called) arrived on the
heels of a planetary freeze-over. The Permian extinction
coincides with the Siberian traps vulcanism. There is a Jurassic
extinction that is not so severe as the K-T extinction that came
much later.

All the more reason that severe interuptions of the evolutionary
process stops the progress of evolution which claims it needs lots
of time. Aparantly you have had many interuptions in evolution for
evolution to be true.

It doesn't, though. It knocks out a large number of species and
then, when the environment recovers, we see a rapid evolution of new
species centered on the groups remaining after the extinction
event.

True. But it still cuts the time factor down. You need time for
divergence.

Since we have protocols that produce speciation in animals in 20
generations and (sometimes) in plants in a single generation, we don't
need much. What is needed is isolation of small subpopulations more
than time.

In all honesty. Has anyone witnessed this speciation in animals actually
happening ? What new species did it produce?

We can witness small scale evolution such as variations from wolf to dog.


ne preceded by a fair number
of intermediates and we arrive with genetics that demonstrate
beyond reasonable doubt our common ancestry with the other great
apes.

Reasonable doubt permeates evolutionary theory.

Nope....not in the respect of our common ancestry with the other
great apes. Your unreasonable doubts, rooted in religious dogma,
are understandable, but have no scientific standing.

That is just it. I am not basing the opinion on dogma

Of course you are. You twist every which way in the wind to deny the
obvious implications of the genetics.

You cannot define life or how that life originated and yet you lecture me on
genetics?

Amusing is what you are at times



Macro-Evolution is flimsily.


Macro-evolution is far more robust than latter-day young-earth
creationism, which is contradicted by many lines of evidence.

Not really.


Common design could also be what you are observing instead.

If human and ape were isolated with their genetic similarities then
you would have a point. But they are not. You can find many species
that are unrelated with genetic similarities

1. Ultimately there are no unrelated species.
2. Your claim of a common designer would preclude that designer
being actually intelligent, since the pattern we see is very
inefficient.

A fantasy omnipotent designer could be blamed for everything, but
evolution actually explains what we see in terms of what we see, not
some imaginary pagan godlet that makes stupid mistakes (or is
utterly malicious).


The creation was corrupted. What you are viewing is not the original
design thanks to your pops

So the evil demi-god is the creator of species, according to you?

He has made some counterfits. But the real problem is the original designs
have been corrupted.


We Christians don't believe in your pagan deities.

You are a counterfit christian. And that clock is ticking

YOU are a counterfeit Christian, sir, and your clock has nearly run
out.

Go to hell if you want. It's your RIIIIIGHT!

We have been through this Dave. Why do you resist the chosen ones? Don't you
know that every knee will bow to YHWH when the truth is unfolded?







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