Re: God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:16:01 -0500, James Redford <jrredford@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote in talk.origins:

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT), wf3h <wf3h@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Mar 10, 10:57 pm, James Redford <jrredf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 05:27:04 -0700 (PDT), VoiceOfReason

<papa_fo...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Other than an unsupported assertion that he Omega point is God, the
only thing you have here is a lot of random text.  That's
unconvincing, to say the least.

The only way to avoid the conclusion that the Omega Point exists is to
reject the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of
Thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the
Standard Model of particle physics), and hence reject empirical
science: as these physical laws have been confirmed by every
experiment to date. That is, there exists no rational reason for
thinking that the Omega Point Theory is incorrect, and indeed, one
must engage in extreme irrationality in order to argue against the
Omega Point Theory.

sure there is. first an infinite supply of energy does not exist in
the universe. heat death is inevitable.

The net energy of the universe is zero.

Are we certain of that or is that just one possible state?

The net energy of the universe
has been zero in all times in the past, is zero now, and will be zero
in all times in the future. As Prof. Stephen Hawking wrote in his book
A Brief History of Time, Chapter 8: "The Origin and Fate of the
Universe":

""
The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero.
The matter in the universe is made out of positive energy. However,
the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter
that are close to each other have less energy than the same two pieces
a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them
against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus,
in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case
of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show
that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive
energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe
is zero.

Now twice zero is also zero. Thus the universe can double the amount
of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational
energy without violation of the conservation of energy. This does not
happen in the normal expansion of the universe in which the matter
energy density goes down as the universe gets bigger. It does happen,
however, in the inflationary expansion because the energy density of
the supercooled state remains constant while the universe expands:
when the universe doubles in size, the positive matter energy and the
negative gravitational energy both double, so the total energy remains
zero. During the inflationary phase, the universe increases its size
by a very large amount. Thus the total amount of energy available to
make particles becomes very large. As Guth has remarked, "It is said
that there's no such thing as a free lunch. But the universe is the
ultimate free lunch."
""

In order to make the positive energy go to infinity, one makes the
negative energy of gravity go to infinity. During the universe's
collapse into the solitary point singularity, gravitational energy
diverges to infinity, thereby forcing the positive energy to diverge
to infinity--and therein maintaining the total net energy of the
universe at exactly zero.

2nd, as wolpert and others have proven, no system existing IN this
universe can know ALL of the universe.

Given an infinite amount of computational resources, per the
Bekenstein Bound, recreating the exact quantum state of our present
universe is trivial, requiring at most a mere 10^123 bits (the number
which Roger Penrose calculated), or at most a mere 2^10^123 bits for
every different quantum configuration of the universe logically
possible (i.e., the multiverse in its entirety up to this point in
universal history). So the Omega Point will be able to resurrect us
using merely an infinitesimally small amount of total computational
resources: indeed, the multiversal resurrection will occur between
10^-10^10 and 10^-10^123 seconds before the Omega Point is reached, as
the computational capacity of the universe at that stage will be great
enough that doing so will require only a trivial amount of total
computational resources.

And given infinite computational resources, the Omega Point will
contain emulations (i.e., exact bit-identical renderings down to the
quantum level) of all the past states of the multiverse, including the
emulations of the multiverse within the emulated universes, and so on.
In other words, worlds within worlds, ad infinitum.

Regarding the equivalence of God and the Omega Point: the Omega Point
is omniscient, having an infinite amount of information and knowing
all that is logically possible to be known; it is omnipotent, having
an infinite amount of energy and power; and it is omnipresent,
consisting of all that exists. As well, as Stephen Hawking proved, the
singularity is not in spacetime, but rather is the boundary of space
and time. So the Omega Point is transcendent to, yet immanent in,
space and time.

you're repeating yourself. you say the same thing over and over

2+2 = 4 has also been repeated numerous time, but it's still correct
as it ever was.

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James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," revised and expanded
edition, February 13, 2009 (originally published December 19, 2001)
http://www.geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/jrredford/anarchist-jesus.html

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information
on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory)
http://geocities.com/theophysics/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/omega-point/
http://www.myspace.com/theophysics

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