Re: Vatican endorses ToE* & Intelligence*

On Mar 5, 3:46 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 5, 11:46 am, "richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"





<richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 5, 7:33 pm, Zucadragon <Z...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ray Martinez schreef:

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/a90ec89090a1262c

"Vatican Declares ToE Compatible With Christianity" by Steven L.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175362,00.html

The Pope's now famous "intelligent project" quote:

BEGIN LINK QUOTE
VATICAN CITY —  Pope Benedict XVI has waded into the evolution debate
in the United States, saying the universe was made by an "intelligent
project" and criticizing those who in the name of science say its
creation was without direction or order.

Benedict made the off-the-cuff comments during his general audience
Wednesday. The Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published the
full text of his remarks in its Thursday editions.

Benedict focused his reflections for the audience on scriptural
readings that said God's love was seen in the "marvels of creation."

He quoted St. Basil the Great, a fourth century saint, as saying some
people, "fooled by the atheism that they carry inside of them, imagine
a universe free of direction and order, as if at the mercy of chance."

"How many of these people are there today? These people, fooled by
atheism, believe and try to demonstrate that it's scientific to think
that everything is free of direction and order," he said.

"With the sacred Scripture, the Lord awakens the reason that sleeps
and tells us: In the beginning, there was the creative word. In the
beginning, the creative word — this word that created everything and
created this intelligent project that is the cosmos — is also love."
END LINK QUOTE

Based on the content of both links I explain the acceptance of ToE by
the Vatican as follows: The Catholic Church is going to endorse
Darwinism accomplished by Intelligent agency. Hence the asterisks in
topic title denotes a counterfeit ToE or counterfeit Intelligent
agency.

So when the Vatican says "ToE Compatible With Christianity" beware:
the devil is in the details.

The Catholic Church is attempting to have things both ways. They do
not want to offend millions of persons by taking a definitive one-way
stand. The Church seeks unity among its worldwide flock of
Creationists and Evolutionists. This is seen in both sets of quotes by
Church hierarchy (Pope and Archbishop). The conflicting positions are
intentional, designed to frustrate anyone who attempts to put the
Church in either box. This is the Catholic way. This way presupposes
the importance of higher spiritual goals and the disabling of divisive
issues that threaten their achievement.

Ray

If I'm right and we follow "ray" rules, then the vatican is now atheist,
right ?

Oh, it's been clear for ages that Ray thinks the Pope is an atheist.
Mind you, he thinks everyone is an atheist except Gene Scott and Ray
Martinez.

The interesting question - and one which he rather obviously evades
whenever it is asked - is does *Tony Pagano* think that the Pope is an
atheist. After all, he calls anyone who accepts the findings of
science in respect of evolution an atheist, and it is clear that the
Pope does so.

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Your comments are refuted by the OP (opening or first post) and by the
fact that you have evaded addressing. The OP explicitly presupposes
that the Pope is not a wolf in sheeps clothing (Atheist) like
yourself. You are shown here to be dishonest, that is, for you to say
that I think the Pope is an Atheist while ignoring the OP is
egregiously dishonest. It also makes you an intellectual coward.

In the OP I have offered an explanation of *all* the facts (last
paragraph). No one, that is, no one has addressed. All Darwinists have
evaded or misrepresented.


actually to the vatican evolution is a non-issue. they can tell the
truth about it...that it's science...because no one really cares and
to push creationism...which is a lie...would damage the vatican just
like the galileo issue did.

it's a no brainer: tell the truth just like they finally did for
galileo.

evolution is science. creationism is a lie.

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