Re: Darwin the 'dunce' 'founder?' of modern evolution

On Feb 14, 5:25 pm, Art Biele <Abiele7...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:52 am, "richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"



<richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 14, 7:55 am, Art Biele <Abiele7...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 12, 3:30 pm, "richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"

<richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 12, 7:08 pm, Art Biele <Abiele7...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

No, it isn't.
It's a pack of falsehoods derived from creationist sources embellished
with inventions of your own.

Get a freakin' education.

RF
Get a freakin' education. You are at best utterly ignorant, at worst
utterly dishonest.

RF

With respect to the finches:

Darwin’s Finches:

It was once claimed by evolutionists that the Finches found on the
Galapagos Islands are an excellent example of Darwinian evolution in
action. They once claimed up to 31 species of finch lived on those
Islands, but that figure had dropped in modern times to 13 species, 3
genuses’, and one family. However. Recent research has shown that all
13 species are capable of interbreeding

FALSEHOOD #1
No, it hasn't. It has shown that *some* of the species are capable of
interbreeding.

and they do interbreed.

That does not mean that they are not distinct species.

They
are descendants of a single pair of finches and the radiation that
occurred in the Galapagos occurred in the range of hundreds of years,
not millions or even thousands of years.

FALSEHOOD #2
I've posted a link to a paper which demonstrates that they radiated
over a period of over two million years.

A recent drought demonstrated
a rapid increase in long beak finches over just a two to three year
period.

Quite so.
Your point?

It means that you evolutionists are full of  Bull *** and will keep
changing your definitions to keep your pet evidences and theories of
'evolution' alive.

UNFOUNDED ASSERTION #1

Darwin and his pro-evolution anti-Bible mentors
(Lyell, Huxley,  etc)

FALSEHOOD #1
Lyell was a devout Christian who was troubled by the implications of
Darwin's theory in respect of evolution.
Huxley was an atheist.

were wrong about how physical characterictics)
changes impercepttively in ones lifetime, but over very long periods
of time species slowly evolve into new species,

Quite so. They were wrong about a lot of things. However, that does
not change the fact that Darwin got the basics right.

and the finches were
his prime example, they force fitted their data into their
manufactured fabricated method and mode of evolution evolutionary
scenario.

FALSEHOOD #2
Darwin "force-fitted" nothing. He was wrong about the timescales over
which speciation events can occur.


The definition defining Species in the 20th century is the ability to
interbreed.


FALSEHOOD #3
Therefore it has been determined that all of Dawin's
Finches are known to be capable of interbreeding, thus they are one
species under the standard and most common definition of species
established by evolutionists. So how does Peter Grant respond to what
mus be a very discomforting discovery for evolutionists everywhere,
with a paper on "What is a species?" And in Peter Grants worthless
meanderings he concludes that:

"In light of what we learned about Darwins' finches [they can all
interbreed] we define species similarly [as Mayr defined it: a
population is a species if they can interbreed], but without the
exclusive emphasis on genetic isolation. Species comprise one or more
populations capable of breeding with little or no fitness loss. ...
this [definition of species] is important for Darwins finches and many
other species of terrestrial birds because a major component of the
barrier to interbreed is not a genetic one but is learned."

Here you Richard, this new self-serving definition of species is why
you are stupidly claiming that Darwins' finches are different species,
because they normally choose to not interbreed. By this definition,
human caucasians and blacks are two different species because both are
genetically isolated by generally choosing to not interbreed, a
learned behavior.

Tell me Richard, when are you going to go to Harlem to tell the black
men face to face that they are a seperate species of human than white
people? Yet this garbage is now going to be taught a fact of evolution
to the open unwary open minds of preteen, teen and young adult
students as a fact.

You evo's are disgusting with how you keep coming up with nonsense,
and then teach it as fact. This only supports that Evolution is a
false science that is taught in an Orwellian fashion, and those who do
not walk in lock step with it are targeted for elimination.

The Theory of Evolution is indeed palimpsest, Evo's constantly using
the present to rewrite the past in order to control the present and
the future by authoritatively imposing your foul evolutionary BELIEFS
on unwary and open minds throughout our education systems and denying
work, publication, tenure to those who clearly and accurately see it
differently than you, whom you censor mercilessly.

But isn't this what happened to you Richard, and so many other
proponents who post here, you are the ones that the saying is true:
The Blind leading the Blind.

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In consistency with my Creationist point of view, there is no new
beneficial genetic information observed in the finches of the dog
family;

Wow!
Where can I find these "finches of the dog family"?

 Richard, I have had two strokes that have damaged my brain and
seriously effects my memory and my ability to concentrate or stay
focused. I an legally disabled because of it. I struggle to write my
posts. I could not even write anything at all yesterday. This is why I
had to drop out of these discussions on talk origins some time ago. I
can not keep this up much longer.

I wish you good and not harm, and I hope you will wise up some day to
your passing down the same information that deceives you and causes
you to deceive others. Your confidence is unwarranted.

There are things greater than you and your work Richard, How I do wish
them for you, but you will not hear it.

As for me and my family, we will serve the LORD.

John 3:1-21
Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the
Jews; this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know
that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these
signs that You do unless God is with him."

Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless
one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He
cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can
he?"

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of
water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.  That
which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the
Spirit is spirit.  Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be
born again.'  The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of
it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is
everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?"

Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and do
not understand these things?  Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of
what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept
our testimony.  If I told you earthly things and you do not believe,
how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?  No one has
ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of
Man. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must
the Son of Man be lifted up;  so that whoever believes will in Him
have eternal life.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.  For
God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that
the world might be saved through Him.  He who believes in Him is not
judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he
has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men
loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the
Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.  But he who practices
the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as
having been wrought in God."   NASU

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