Re: An Unexplained Mystery

On Feb 3, 8:51 pm, "[M]adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
John Harshman wrote:
[M]adman wrote:
John Harshman wrote:
[M]adman wrote:
rnorman wrote:
On Feb 2, 9:18 pm, "[M]adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A rough evolutionary chain of events:
amoebas > amphibians > reptiles > mammals > eventually humans

It seems out common ancestor, the original big ragu of ancestors,
was asexual.

Let's see divergence explain how we get two opposite sexes out of
THAT.

At what point was the penis and vagina necessary for reproduction
prey tell?

I am all ears.
We have been through the entire story of sexual reproduction,
involving diploid vs. haploid, involving heterogamy with sperm vs.
egg, involving sexual dimorphism with male vs. female, involving
internal fertilization with penis and vagina so many times that
this can only be a silly troll.  In any event, I answered you with
all the information that anyone with the most basic education in
biology can follow.  And anybody without the most basic
information in biology has no business demanding answers to such silly
questions.
well well... the typical "i told you already" and "you are stupid"
reply. That means you can not answer, can you.

I'll rephrase since you are SO much smarter then I,.

Please explain (if you can) _at what point_ does science claim
asexually diverged in to two difference sexes; and, (2), can
science show any evidence for this divergence that meets the
criteria to be scientific evidence. Also... note the phrase ( "at
what point" ) and the word "sexes".

I am not asking for your rendition of the fertilization process.
Can you or can you not point to ANYTHING that clearly shows a
divergence from an asexual species into a new species of two sexes.

Please. I beg you. No generalizations or the usual evolutionary
double talk that comes with built in fuzzy logic.

Keep it dumbed down since i am so slow and all.

A simple answer along with even a shread of real evidence will do.
Since nobody is answering you this time (and it's your own fault,
since you apparently don't remember the last time), I'll make an
attempt. First, we have to disentangle your question, since the
question you ask confuses several independent aspects of sex, to
whit: diploid vs. haploid organisms, regular conjugation,
differentiation of sperm and ova (or equivalent in unicellular
organisms), obligate outcrossing, specialization of multicellular
individuals for production of sperm and ova, internal fertilization,
and the particular morphology of copulatory organs. Each of these
would have a different answer, which is one reason why answering you
is difficult.
Another reason is that many of these steps have happened multiple
times. What one would have to do is map the characteristics you're
interested in onto a tree of life, which would enable us to put
those steps into a sequence and pinpoint where each of them had
happened on the tree. I don't happen to have the data at hand
needed for this, even if I knew what question you were actually
asking. But that's how it would be done. And you would reject the
answer anyway. What you probably want is a movie showing an asexual
species turning by magic into a sexual one of just the sort we see
in mammals, in real time.

I cannot understand why a scientist would NOT want to map the
characteristics onto a tree of life and then put those steps into a
sequence which pinpoints where each of them had happened on the
tree. How could you not want definitive answers such as that?
Anything else is saying "Take my word for it".

The reason I don't want to do it right here, right now, is that it
would take a lot of work and wouldn't help you (specifically you)
understand anything.

BTW, I do not want "magic". I want a clear answer. You say it cannot
be pinpointed. Then how can you say for sure that a divergence took
place that resulted in one species having two separate sex organs?

You are an illiterate idiot.

I am more intelligent then you ---and that scares you.

Noiw, see, *This* is where the "LOL, Gigabytes of laughter to Pluto
and back" comes into play.

The snot in Harshman's used Kleenex is smarter than you, you ignorant
gimp.


The Truth is... you have no fucking idea how two sexes arrived on this
planet.

The truth is, even if you were shown home movies that showed how "two
sexes" evolved, you would not accept it since you're too fucking
stupid to use your brain.


Get over it.

Grow up. child.

Boikat

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