Re: hamas military training for children

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:17:37 -0800 (PST), in talk.origins , Vend
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On 21 Gen, 23:48, Matt Silberstein
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:06:30 -0700, in talk.origins , Bob Casanova
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:48:23 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Vend
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On 21 Gen, 03:10, Bob Casanova <nos...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:41:18 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Vend
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...a country that defines itself "the Jewish state" and offcially
discriminates people depending on whether they are Jewish or Arab or
something else, strikes me as racist.

So you agree that all of the Islamic states are racist? OK.

They are certainly unfair and totalitarian.
I would also consider them racist, under a definition of racism that
includes religious discrimination.

I don't consider that the definition of "racism" includes
such discrimination; I'd go for "state-sanctioned religious
intolerance". Less pithy, perhaps, but it has the advantage
of accuracy, which "racism" does not. And you might want to
note, just as an aside, that as a matter of fact, rather
than of political definition or Newspeak, "Semitic" includes
both Arabs and Hebrews...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

....making "antisemitic" a particularly inappropriate term to
use in an Arab/Israeli conflict. It's an intraethnic
cultural conflict, not a racial one.

Not really. "Anti-Semitic" was specifically coined to mean
"anti-Jewish". And "Semitic" connects Jews and Arabs only with a
discredited idea that language and descent were connected.

Discredited?

"The most widely spoken Semitic language today is Arabic[1] (322
million native speakers, approx 422 million total speakers)[2][3]. It
is followed by Amharic (27 million),[4][5] Tigrinya (about 6.7
million),[6] and Hebrew (about 5 million).[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

Perhaps you meant to post something else. Yes, the notion that
ethnicity and language are intertwined has been discredited. As that
reference points out "Semitic" is a *language* group, not a culture
group, not a genetic group. That someone speaks Arabic, even as a
native speaker, even as the great-grandchild of a native speaker, does
not mean they are descended from the Bedouin of the peninsula. And
Germans are not Aryans either.

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