Re: So like us.

Frank J wrote:
On Jan 2, 9:30 pm, "[M]adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Part 1 of Adman's Chimp series.

I am sure that most of you here at TO, (the short supply of
intelligent and honest ones anyway) will admit that Doctor Jane
Goodall is perhaps one of the worlds top authorities on Chimps. She
has spent a life time studying chimpanzee behavior and their social
structure in addition to their living habits from birth to death.
Her documentaries are breathtakingly accurate as well as marvelous
to watch. The information contained therein are considered a world
wide authority on the species and they are considered such for
obvious reasons.

It is for this reason that I will Quote Dr. Goodall's web page.

<quote>
"One of the first and most significant discoveries made by Jane
Goodall was that chimpanzees hunt for and eat meat. During her first
year she observed a male chimp, David Greybeard, an adult female,
and a juvenile eating what Jane realized was a young bush pig.
Before this, it had been assumed that chimpanzees ate only fruit and
leaves. </quote>

So, we have an observation that chimpanzees eat meat from a reputable
source. In fact, it has been argued here on T.O. that another study
shows chimpanzees hunt and eat meat as well. So not only are there
observations from the renown Dr. Goodall, we also have observations
that Chimps eat meat documented elsewhere too. All reputable. They
concur with each other. So this clearly establishes the fact that
there is observed evidence for chimps eating meat as a regular part
of their diet.

Knowing the fact that there are skeptics here at T.O. .....AND, I
can here you now: "BUT! The chimps must have come across a dead
carcass and that is why they ate the meat." And "chimps really have
not had a diet of meat all along". To the skeptics, i say: "Wrong".

<quote>
On that first occasion it was not clear whether the chimpanzees had
caught and killed the prey, or merely come upon a carcass. But a
short time later Jane actually observed the hunting process when a
group of chimpanzees attacked, killed, and ate a red colobus monkey
that had climbed high into a tree. The hunters covered all available
escape routes while one adolescent male crept up after the prey and
captured it, whereupon the other males instantly rushed up and
seized parts of the carcass. </quote>

We have now established that a normal part of the chimps existence
is to hunt and eat meat.

So what about the alleged ancestor of the human/chimp ?

It is claimed: "Meat-eating was essential for human evolution, says
UC Berkeley anthropologist specializing in diet".

And that without meat: "it's unlikely that proto humans could have
secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in
their African environment at that time to evolve into the active,
sociable, intelligent creatures they became.[] "I disagree with
those who say meat may have been only a marginal food for early
humans," said Milton. "I have come to believe that the incorporation
of animal matter into the diet played an absolutely essential role
in human evolution."

So what is the problem then? Chimps are indeed active, sociable,
intelligent creatures which eat meat just like Homo. But Homo can
build bridges and fly to the moon while the poor chimps are *still*
using sticks to hunt for meat. How can this be?

If Chimps and Homo are so similar, share so much genetic material,
come from the same ancestor, then why on earth did the poor Chimp
not develop along side of man and grow a more /sophicated/ brain
based on a similar diet?!

For the same reason homo cannot mate with the chimps.

We are not related. There is no common ancestor. _Thats why_.

Have you discussed that with *anti-evolutionist* Michael Behe, who has
held firm for years that humans and chimps share common ancestors?

Have you discussed that with other DI folk, who either seem to
disagree with Behe (e.g. Wells) or remain undecided (e.g. Dembski),
but nevertheless admit that nothing about ID specifically refutes the
common ancestry of humans and chimps?

The fact of the matter is I have read nothing to date that shows with out
doubt and, without assumption that, evolution happens outside of the "kind"
as described in the bible.

Is there evidence that apes and humans can breed, or could ever breed?

If not, then you have no ancestry between the two kinds, but you do have
evidence of common design features by comparison.



But we _are_ similarly designed.

Designed by the God of Abraham. The one true God.

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It is all about "Each After His Own Kind" with:
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I have such refs to show you:

http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/6-14-1999a.html

http://www.janegoodall.org/chimp_central/chimpanzees/behavior/hunting...
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