Re: Quantum Mechanics and science/evolution

wf3h wrote:
On Dec 17, 2:26 pm, Bill Hudson <oldgeek61-...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 17, 11:51 am, dylandog...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:





On Dec 17, 7:36 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
dylandog...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have posted here in the past and found you to be very helpful.
I hope that you can help me out. I am in a long term debate with a
creationist and he has constantly referred to how "Quantum Mechanics
is undermining evolution and science"-I have challenged him to back up
his claims and recently they have posted this article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5324234.ece
The relevant part is about halfway down and refers to the work of
Henry Stapp.
In short I would like to know is the work of QM undermining evolution/
science? are we likely to see the change to "the rise of secular mater-
ialism over the past 200 years"
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Whether there's anything to this (which I doubt), there doesn't seem to
be anything to do with evolution there. Is your opponent making the
tacit assumption that evolution equals atheism, and therefore if god
exists there is no evolution? If so, that's a silly assumption. If not,
I don't see any connection.
Hi John
My opponent used to try and make the connection with evolution and did
try to connect his idea with the assumptions that you raise, however
on this occasion they are trumpeting the idea expressed in the article
that the last 200 years of materialistic science is under threat and
the work of Henry Stapp could see a paradigm shift in science.
Regards
Henry Stapp is one of the darlings of the 'quantum mysticism'
movement: Those who believe that quantum mechanics somehow conforms to
or confirms some of the assertions of new age movements. Quantum
Quackery IMHO.



geez this is dating myself, but i remember something like 30 years ago
there was a political party in the US (the 'natural law' party) headed
by a PhD quantum physicist who said QM demonstrated that buddhism was
true....

it never stops

You are misremembering, presumably as a result of your great age. It wasn't 30 years ago. The party was formed in 1992, and ran their candidate, John Hagelin, in the next 3 presidential elections. And it was a Hindu movement, not Buddhist. Maharishi. TM. That sort of thing. I don't think the party is active any more, but of course the Maharishi thing is still going.

.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Quantum Mechanics and science/evolution
    ... creationist and he has constantly referred to how "Quantum Mechanics ... be anything to do with evolution there. ... that the last 200 years of materialistic science is under threat and ... there was a political party in the US headed ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: found a picture of evolution in process ...
    ... Earth's magnetic field: ... This site also talks about evolution of the eye, ... Well, that's kind of vague, and in quantum mechanics we find the idea ...
    (comp.os.vms)
  • Re: Evolution is NOT random
    ... evolution. ... I think that, whether or not physics is random at the quantum level, the ... quantum fluctuations certainly can influence particle interaction ... gas, you have to know the position and momentum not only of every ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: Evolution of Intelligence Requires Natural "Quantum Computing"
    ... reasoning, or even better, actual evidence supporting this peculiar ... multiplicity of ways) for the evolution of intelligence as we know it. ... lack of observations of quantum computing in the natural world. ... genetic level, of an organism. ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Evolution of Intelligence Requires Natural "Quantum Computing"
    ... Evolution of Intelligence Requires Natural "Quantum Computing" ... computer, is most likely to be found at the quantum level, not at the ...
    (sci.physics)