Re: Is rnorman a living soul?. Let's see. [was: About philosophy of

rnorman wrote:
On Nov 25, 7:51 am, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
rnorman wrote:
On Nov 24, 6:20 pm, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
rnorman wrote:
On Nov 24, 10:14 am, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
socratus wrote:
What must be present in a body to make it alive?

A created soul.

Jeremiah 1:5, God said to Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the
womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.

Job, 12:9, "Who among all these doesn't know that the hand of the
Lord has done this, in whose hand is the life of every living
thing, and the breath of all mankind?"

No big bang, no evolution, no science needed.

So every bacterium that has ever lived since the beginning of it
all has a soul, presumably immortal, created by God. And every
fungus and every protist and every plant and every insect and
..... Heaven must be a very interesting place overflowing with an
incredible array of life forms (or formless life souls). Of
course all the pathogenic and parasitic and decay bacteria and
fungi and protists must be in Hell (what did they do to deserve
eternal torment except do what they were designed to do?) Still,
the current biomass of ants in the world exceeds the biomass of
humans and ants have a very short life so the biomass of ants in
Heaven compared with that of humans must be incredible. Oh, souls
may not actually have mass, but the number of ant souls must
vastly outnumber that of humans. Is heaven also a heavenly
paradise for ants or do they get their own heaven?

Or maybe your sacred ancient texts filled with eternal truths
indicates that only humans get to go to heaven. But then what
happens to all the created souls of all those life forms? Are they
not eternal?

The question was obviously about Human Bodies

Not at all obvious. The question was not "what must be present in a
human to make it specifically human?"

You are correct, I did cut the context out. So it was not clear. I
simply gave you enough credit to have read the prior post. I
apologize for giving *you* such *credit*.

You answered about "life" and, according to the ancient texts, life
is sacred and to be honored and respected. That is the basis of the
dietary laws enumerated in the ancient texts; in particular the
requirement for ritual slaughter, that blood not be consumed, that
meat and dairy not be mixed. The life that is honored that way is
certainly not human life. Bodies other than human have life.

So what is distinct about humans in that we supposedly have souls?
It is absolutely not in the fact that our bodies have life! All
living things have life. Once again, you fail the exam. and your
feeble explanation fails the exam. Do you really want another
attempt at exposing your ignorance? Yes, I guess you do.

The question was:
"What must be present in a body to make it alive?"

I replied a "created soul". Why?

Because everything that breathes is a living soul. When regarding
man (and animals in general), these are created souls. We have been
through this before. You simply cannot, or will not learn. Let's try
it again shall we?

example:
There were 900 "souls" on board that died. Or, Every living soul
perished when the ship sank.

Hebrew for soul = ("nephesh") "of a human life" and "one who
breathes."

Hebrew for spirit ("ruach") Greek word "spirit" ("pneuma"), deals
with the invisible essence (human, angelic, demonic or Divine), and
is seldom ---but also translated "wind"

I'll dumb this down for you. Basically anything that breathes is a
living soul. Not every living soul has a spirit.

*[ALERT: important part]* Bacteria, fungi ,virus, and the like do
not have breath. They do not have breathe; And therefore they do not
qualify as a living soul --nor do they remotely qualify to have a
spirit. Aquatic creatures breath. They just breath in a different
way.

Now, to further simplify, a "soul" equals human/animal mind (the
will, emotions, thought, reason, etc).The"Soul" makes us aware and
able to function in this three-dimensional reality of existence. The
breath that annimates, that gives life.

"Spirit" equals the center of our existence. Our core."Spirit" makes
us aware of God, angels, demons, the supernatural and all of the
dimensions beyond these three dimensions that are seen from this
perspective.

As a side note:
I have not discovered in ancient texts, nor have i discovered in
scientific texts, what organizes otherwise dead organic matter into
a living breathing soul ---with the exception of the Creator notion
which has been written about much. Since science cannot answer this
question; and, since so many people have accepted the Creator idea
for a very long time; it is therefore reasonable to believe that it
took a divine creation that we do not understand yet to have
annimated this organic matter into living souls. No evolution
needed. --

The difference between us is simple. I read the same ancient texts as
you but then I use common sense to eliminate the religious clutter. Or
did I read that somewhere?

I particularly like the part that says " *[ALERT: important part]*
Bacteria, fungi ,virus, and the like do not have breath. They do not
have breathe; And therefore they do not qualify as a living soul --nor
do they remotely qualify
to have a spirit. Aquatic creatures breath. They just breath in a
different way." Someday you may try to demonstrate the difference
between the "different way" that aquatic creatures breathe (or breath)
and the way bacteria and fungi respire. I never mentioned viruses --
you added them. Viruses do not have life; they do not have living
souls. Plants, incidentally "breathe" in exactly the same way animals
do. They take in oxygen from the air and release carbon dioxide.
That is in addition to the fact that they also do photosynthesis where
they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen. At some times
(darkness) and places (roots and any other structure that is not
green) respiration exceeds photosynthesis. For the green parts during
daylight, photosynthesis ordinarily exceeds respiration.


So now you have confused me. What is the essence of being human? Is
it that our souls were created rather than merely being living or is
it that we have spirit (or spirits or are spirited)? And was the
spirit created? How did all the other things with living spirit
obtain those spirits if they were not created? I guess they
evolved?


You do not need MY help to get confused. This much is evident.

Every living thing that has the breath of life is a "living soul" How much more plain can that
be?

Not every living soul has a spirit. How much more plain can that be?

If you read the bible and have common sense as you claim, then you would understand the
difference and how each applies.


[RED ALERT: Brain function needed for the following:]

In addition, bacteria, fungi ,virus, plants and aquatic creatures do not breathe like animals.
They do not have the "breath" of life as described by the original Hebrew language. While they
may very well be living, they are not described in the bible as "living souls" with the breath
of life. Why do you insist on shifting the focus? Is it intentional or are you just this dumb?
The original question was about "Body" in the sense of man/animal not about fungi or bacteria.
The bible is describing man..animals, ---not bacteria, fungi ,virus, plants and aquatic
creatures regarding soul and spirit.

You have your answers above. But for your convince I will paste them below:

[quote]
Now, to further simplify, a "soul" equals human/animal mind (the will, emotions, thought,
reason, etc).The"Soul" makes us aware and able to function in this three-dimensional reality of
existence. The breath that animates, that gives life.

"Spirit" equals the center of our existence. Our core."Spirit" makes us aware of God, angels,
demons, the supernatural and all of the dimensions beyond these three dimensions that are seen
from this perspective.
[end quote]

Now here is the tricky part. Are you ready? Ya Sure? OK then. Here we go.

If you are not aware of God, angels, demons and the supernatural then you do not have spirit and
may very well be one of the tares that are described in Matthew 13. Billions of people can make
this connection to God because of their spirit which is the center of our existence.."Spirit"
makes us aware of God. Do you think billions of people that believe in God have accepted a lie
for many thousands of years? Of course not. They can make the connection that some seem unable
to make. God is real to them.

Here, I will save you the trouble of finding it:

Matthew 13

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man
which sowed good seed in his field:
25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed
in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that
we go and gather them up?

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the
reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather
the wheat into my barn.

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