Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

On Nov 19, 5:08 pm, wf3h <w...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Except for humans, and perhaps ETI, of course . . .

neither of which is a natural process.

Humans aren't natural?

gee i wasnt aware they didnt teach english at loma linda

do you see the word PROCESS in my statement? you know, the part you
clipped as you routinely do to make arguments say what you want them
to say....

Human activities aren't natural "processes"? I'm honestly not sure
what you're trying to say here?

ROFLMAO!! yeah, i'm not surprised. you've lost track of your argument
so now you're trying to say ALL processes are ID processes. every
thunderstorm...every flood...every rainbow...no natural processes at
all let's go back a thousand years...

Where on Earth did you get that from what I said? I've pointed out
over and over to you that most processes in nature do not require
outside intelligent input. Most of them are non-ID processes.
However, not all of them are independent of intelligent input. A few
clearly do require outside intelligent input in order for them to be
produced. Detecting this requirement is the basis for SETI and all
other forms of valid scientific disciplines that search for signs of
intelligently produced 'artificial' features in nature.

You're the one who claimed that there were no intelligence-driven
natural processes in nature. When I asked you about humans, you
laughed and said I didn't know English - that humans weren't
"processes" of nature. Yet, according to Webster, a "process" is
defined as "a continuing natural or biological activity or function".
Do humans not meet that definition?

so...i've just given you a list of failures of ID.

where are its successes?

Let's try to say the same thing a bit differently. Would you agree
thatSETIscientists are looking for evidence of intelligent activity
or intelligent production?

well i see you're backpedaling. you said ID is the most used idea in
science. NOW you're trying a new ploy. no surprise there....you have
no evidence so have to try another magic trick

It all depends upon how you define the term "ID". I'm asking you for
your definition of this term. Again, it is a simple question. Do you
agree with this question? - Yes, or No?

Obviously SETI scientists are looking for
evidence of non-human "intelligence" - right? Isn't that search based
on some hypothesis that predicts an intelligent origin when certain
features are identified? What would you call such a hypothesis if not
an ID hypothesis? What label would you give it?

i would call it, as i have ALWAYS called it...a MODIFICATION of a
natural process by an intelligence. that does NOT mean a feature of
nature was INVENTED by intelligence.

A feature is defined as "the structure, form, or appearance" of
something. Isn't the modification of a radio signal itself a
"feature" of nature? Are narrow-band radio signals not a feature of
nature? - compared to other potential radio signal features? If
modifications are not definable as real inventions, what do human
inventors really invent?

Again, you don't need to know the original origin of granite before
you can recognize that certain features etched or carved into
granite, like Egyptian-type hieroglyphs or highly symmetrical cubes,
are likely to be true artifacts - the products of intelligent design
or "ID".

ET's do not invent electromagnetism. they use it.

Egyptians didn't invent granite either - they used it to form features
that are clearly artefactual without any need to know the actual
origin of the granite stone itself.

ET did not invent DNA. natural processes
did just like they code for proteins

The origin of the material is not in question here. The origin of
specific features of the material is in question here.

and i notice you STILL have not told me of a SINGLE process observed
in nature that's the product of ID. you say it's used ALL the time but
have to shuck and jive your way around your own claim

The building of cars is observed in nature. This "process" is
intelligence driven - i.e., the result of ID.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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