Re: The neuromatrix theory of pain and agnoy.
- From: Kermit <unrestrained_hand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:26:38 -0800 (PST)
On Nov 19, 5:43 am, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 19, 8:49 am, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"The neuromatrix theory of pain posits that pain is a
multidimensional experience produced by characteristic
"neurosignature" patterns of nerve impulses that are generated by a
widely distributed neural network -- the "body-self neuromatrix" --
in the brain. It is a parallel and serial process that can be
thought of as an expansion of the central control processes in the
original gate control theory. The central control processes would
encompass cognitive-evaluative, motivational-affective, and
sensory-discriminative systems." 
"Multiple factors act on the neuromatrix and contribute to the output
"neurosignature." These factors include sensory inputs; visual and
other sensory inputs that influence cognitive interpretation; phasic
and tonic cognitive and emotional inputs; intrinsic neural
inhibitory modulation; and the activity of the stress-regulation
system (endocrine, autonomic, immune, and opioid systems). Pain may
be triggered by sensory inputs, but may also be generated
independently of them. Thus, pain could be produced by the output of
a widely distributed neural network in the brain, rather than
directly by nociceptive stimuli."
Multidimensional experience... eh?
Multidimensional is indeed a very sciency word, but it just means 'has
multiple dimensions', i.e. is determined by multiple independent
Going from a single dimensional system of experience to a multi-
dimensional one merely requires another input to be gauged, nothing
I never said transcendental. The fact that pain is a complex
multi-dimensional system of experience that includes thought and memory
surly suggest a design. Because the sense of pain would be needed before
hand in order to facilitate and insure survival.
No, not if the organism is simple. Imagine a simple, small worm-like
creature. It has a very simple nervous system, and no brain to speak
of. As some of its descendants develop better senses, a central neural
ganglion whill eventually become a brain, a subset of the nerves
become pain nerves - they send a signal when there is damage to the
body, and the wormling retreats from that direction. As some of its
lineage become more sophisticated in senses, memory, and movement, the
pain subsystem evolves along with all of the other characteristics.
You have this peculiar notion that evolution is supposed to advance by
leaps and bounds. You read too many X-Men comics and not enough
introductory science books.
I have a Zen Koan for you, Grasshopper: Whom did the first French
speaker talk to?
When you can answer this, you will be enlightened, and understand much
Does the above sound like something that evolved with mutations,
selections and time?
Umm..NO. ----Don't think so.
1) The ability of pain recognition would need to be active first and
foremost-- for the basic survival of the species.
Do unicellular organisms feel pain? Do they have nerves?
Umm... the answer is no. It's a rhetorical question. The answer is
obvious, and is supposed to lead you to the next conclusion - that
obviously not all (not even most) organisms need pain nerves to
survive. Just the smarter and friskier ones.
2) Pain would be needed if evolution were to happen at all.
3 )Pain would have to be *designed* into the species for the species
to survive because of 1 nad 2.
It really is THAT simple and....
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