Re: Chez Wat: Humans can't produce complex DNA?

On Nov 13, 4:24 pm, wf3h <w...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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You made an unmarked snip. You wrote:

"We do NOT know how to formulate DNA so that complexity is
formed."

I responded:

"You're quite mistaken. Ask anyone, even in this forum, to back
you up
on this assertion of yours.

Care to back up this assertion of yours? We most certainly do know
how to formulate DNA so that complexity is formed. Ask any real
biochemist.

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the complete path from intelligence to generating radio waves to
modifying radio waves is known

And the complete path from intelligence to generating DNA to modifying
DNA is also known.

wrong. if that was the case we'd know how life got started

We'd know how high-level biosystem information could produced. That's
the same with SETI. They know how the radio signals they're looking
for could have been produced - not necessarily how they actually were
produced. There's a difference.

we do not. if you DO know this, go to stockholm and await your nobel
prize

We know how at least complex biosystems could have been produced - the
same with the SETI radio signals.

and you, AGAIN, are confusing your argument.  first you say that the
ORIGIN of DNA indicates ID.

No. The origin of functional informational complexity within DNA
indicates ID.

THEN you say the CHANGES in DNA indicate
ID. you don't specify a mechanism for either

Not changes, but functional informational complexity within DNA.

yet you say it's  happening all the time. every day. it's what caused
the diversity of life.

It's what caused the high-level functional informational complexity of
life.

and you can't point to a single case in nature where we can see this
happen.

Humans designing and building complex biosystems is part of nature -
just like human designed SETI-type radio signals.

the path from nucleotides to DNA to life is not.

This is mistaken.  The path from nucleotides, to DNA, to high-level
genetic information is known and used every day.

wrong. we have no idea how life got started.

This has nothing to do with the fact that a path from nucleotides, to
DNA, to high-level genetic information is known and used every day.
It is. This is a cold hard fact. And, it is therefore know how
highly complex biosystems could have originally been produced by
intelligent design.

Exactly the same thing is true of radio signals coming from outer
space. Would SETI scientists know exactly how the signal they are
looking for was actually produced? No. Would they know how it could
have been produced by at least human-level intelligence? Yep.

not in the least.

Wrong - at least when it comes to high-level information biosystems.
In fact, Venter is claiming that he will be able to produce de novo
"life" within the next few years.

fine. prove that this is the same process used to form DNA 3.6 billion
years ago.

SETI scientists don't have to prove that the way we humans do it is
the very same way that the ETI's did it. All they know is that humans
could have done it and that non-deliberate nature could not have done
it. The very same thing is true of the origin of high-level
functional complexity within DNA.

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Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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