Re: The Global Flood

rnorman wrote:
On Oct 29, 3:19 pm, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<snip nonsense for the sake of retaining some semblance of sanity>

First, your entire argument hinges on not accepting the fact that
the bible has the earth being watered by mist and not rain; and,
that the bible mentions 'fountains' of the deep opening up. Which
clearly shows having additional available water from underground
sources. Enough to compensate for the already lower sea level for
sure. These water sources are still with us today. Don't believe me?
Let's take a look:

"A seismologist at Washington University in St. Louis has made the
first 3-D model of seismic wave damping diminishing deep in the
Earth's mantle and has revealed the existence of an underground
water reservoir at least the volume of the Arctic Ocean."

http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/8222.html

How about that old chum? There is water deep in the Earth's mantle
(even today) the volume of the Arctic Ocean.

In addition,

If you do not believe the earth could support that kind of water
underground, then read up on things like Cambrian-Vendian aquifer,
"Beijing anomaly", buried valleys and salt water under the ground.
Here is one link to get you started:

http://www.geo.lt/litosfera/n4A/n4A_18.htm

NEXT, You further assume there were no additional catastrophes
taking place prior to Noah's flood. The weight of the shifting
glacial ice as it melted would be enough to cause earthquakes,
perhaps set off volcano's, and I am sure do some continent cracking
and shifting.(there by making a pathway for under ground water to
get to the surface).

Ice, and water in particular, is the greatest destructive force on
the planet next only to fire and then wind. Moving glaciers have
been known to carve track marks through granite rock as if it were
butter, even reshape mountain ranges.

"A batholith is a large exposed body of granite that is left exposed
at the surface of the ground. In some cases the area of exposed
granite may have been ground down and flattened, most likely due to
glacial weathering. However, in the case of the Bitterroot Mountains
a very large mountain range was formed. The Bitterroot Region has
been affected by glacial weather, but instead of destroying the
mountains it has only made them even more spectacular."

http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/students/bitter/bitterroot.htm

Last, you claim the rate was not constant. Not only was the rate
constant, it was rapid as eye witnessed accounts state. It does not
take much common sense to realize that a continent shift would cause
tsunamis along with this release of underground water. Not to
mention the sudden climate change. Remember, that the earth was
watered by a mist before the flood. Now during the flood it is
reported to rain. That equals a drastic and sudden atmospheric
change on earth. One of biblical proportions.

One look at the destruction of a small underground earth quake in
Sir Lanka is evidence that many such earthquakes happening
simultaneously around the world would cause.

All in all, when you add it all up, I would say you are in denial of
the biblical flood being a real possibility.


I make no assumptions of mist vs. waters of the deep vs whatever. I
simply say that there does not exist enough water to flood the entire
earth to a level somewhere up Mt. Ararat, to flood the earth
sufficiently to kill virtually every living human except a favored and
protected handful, to cause a rise in the water level sudden enough to
cause massive loss of life in a global way. I have repeatedly
emphasized that local disasters are common.

The Noah Flood WAS a regional flood. But if the waters got that high there,
then there was probably flooding occuring ALL over the world with respect to
the same elevations.

I have told you this before. You are simply too stubborn to review any
information that does not fit into that tiny small mind of yours.

Midrash:
"The deluge in the time of Noah was by no means the only flood with which
this earth was visited. The first flood did its work of destruction as far
as Jaffé, and the one of Noah's days extended to Barbary.--Gen. Rabba 23."
I have said countless times that the Noah flood reached from Barbary to the
coastal areas of India. It was a flood happening all over the world
impacting the same elevations

Look at the areas of Iraq in green on this map and you will see how an
enormous flood could span through the country's river and stream systems all
the way to the foot hills between Turkey and Iran.

http://www.freeworldmaps.net/asia/iraq/map.html

These include
earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, cyclones-hurricanes-typhoons, all sorts
of disasters. These can kill very large numbers of people. Modern
flooding still kills large numbers. I have repeated emphasized that a
major local but extremely large and devastating natural disaster could
be the source of various flood legends; a separate major local event
for each independent legend. Nothing you say provides even the
slightest bit of evidence for one single global event that devasted
all of humankind. That is what the biblical flood is all about. The
biblical flood is NOT about a local flood that killed a whole bunch of
people.

You talk about massive quantities of underground water. What you
describe in nowhere even near the amount needed to cover the surface
of the earth to a depth of tens of thousands of feet,

What I showed you was some of the water underground now. Look at today's
current sea levels and you will find more water then was there thousands of
years ago. This water came from under ground sources as well as from the
polar regions. The bible is clear. "The fountains of the deep" broke open
releasing this additional water.

< the amount
needed to produce a literal Noah's flood. What you describe could in
no possible way (except goddidit magic) rise at the rate described in
the bible and then recede at that rate. Look at the rate of water
level rise after the construction of the Three Gorges Dam (Yangtse
River, China) or the Aswan Dam (Nile River, Egypt) or the Hoover Dam
(Colorado River, USA). In China the water level rose several hundred
feet in just a few years displacing millions of people. How many
drowned in the sudden rise in level? Exactly zero.

I hardly call a few years the same as 40 days. Or ice melt in one spot on
the planet comparatable to all of the polar ice caps melting and underground
water bursting forth.

The people in china also had time to react. Pepare.

How much of the
earth's surface was devastated by that rise of hundreds of feet in
water level? A very tiny and insignificant amount. Very significant
to the millions who lived there but totally insignificant in global
impact.

Then you admit that Noah's flood could leave very little evidence but could
have happen. Thank you.

The impact of Noah's flood killed many via drowning because of the quickness
of the event. But there was secondary deaths just as we see after any
flooding, even after hurricanes. Things such as disease, broken bones and
other health problems. Then came the long term effects such as crops ruined,
food shortages, etc..

But to you. This is a minor detail.

In China there was time to react. There was a government with recourses. The
people of Noah's day had neither. Many died. The story was told despite the
embellishments. You deny it.


You are simply so ignorant of science and the type of thinking
necessary to ponder the full implications of a truly global flood that
you become impressed with little details that seem to corroborate your
fantastical notions, not realizing how completely inappropriate your
analysis is. Your references to batholiths and the erosive power of
water and glaciers and continental drift is evidence of this
interpretation.

Actually this describes you to a TEE. You are bias and utterly refuse to
accept that:

1) there was enough water
2) the flood actually happened
3) people wrote about it
4) there was no reason for these people to lie
4) there are cultures found in that area via archeology that have simply
vanished but their pottery remained
5) it was a world wide event as ancient tradition shows

Clearly I have shown you water under the ground, that exist today that is
the size of an ocean and in just one place.

There was obviously much more underground at one time. Add that to the ice
melt, and add a major catastrophe brought on by divinity and what do you
get? A flood of biblical proportions.

Get over it.
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