Re: Re: Atheists support evolution because evolution supports their

Suzanne wrote:
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:36:39 -0500, "Suzanne" <shiloh7@xxxxxxxxx>
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Suzanne <shiloh7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Simple. Einstein. He factored in the unknown and
found it.

Could you explain more specifically what you mean? I'm quite
familiar with Einstein's work -- it's my field of study -- and I
don't know of any place that I would describe as "factor[ing]
in the unknown."

Einstein considered things that the rest of the scientists
had not even seen or considered.

No he did not.

Of course he did!

What precisely?


This is simply what I
meant. I also explained that Maxwell predicted that
radio waves existed, but did not have evidence of it.

Yes, he had a lot of evidence.

He did not. He made a prediction, not a statement
of fact.

At least lean to use the words properly even if you don't know what they
mean.
Evidence is not automatically fact.



Hertz proved they existed and that they traveled at the
speed of light, and are themselves a form of the
electromagnetic radiation photon energy.

Why is it that you never use the correct term?

Photon energy is good. You don't like it? Tough.
It's descriptive.

So is the idea of light slowing down so you can hear it, but it is wrong.




Maybe you just mean, "He figured out something that wasn't
known before." But that's not "factoring in the unknown",
it's eliminating a piece of the unknown. That's what science
is about. But it requires that you *not* accept "the unknown"
as a factor; it's something to be fought, to be turned into a
piece of "the known."

(Good scientists delight in "the unknown," of course, but that's
because it gives us interesting things to do.)

Steve Carlip

This sounds like some semantic differences...
I was speaking of some scientists that I know that told me
they made some discoveries by using the Square of the
Opposition formula used in Aristotalian logic in order to find
some things that they otherwise had been blind to previously.

Sure they did :)

You doubt me? So what else is new? : D

They were not saying that they didn't use conventional methods
first.

No, I don't think that they had in mind eliminating a piece of
the unknown, but the discovery of something they otherwise
didn't know existed.

You say above "But it requires that you *not* accept "the
unknown" as a factor." I am not saying that a scientist should
make something that he doesn't know exists into a reality, I am
saying that he needs to search for what he does not know or
could have missed, that exists, but he doesn't know exists.
Do you see the difference?

With your abuse of English, no.

I don't abuse English. You do, though. You can't
speak English at all. King James spoke it...you
speak a hybrid form of it. Americans speak
American English. Aussies speak Australian English.
South Africans speak South African English.

Sometimes the stupidiy has to stand alone.

.

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