Re: An Apology to ALL

Ray Martinez wrote:
On Oct 28, 10:57 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
(M)-adman wrote:
The "The real father of Evolution was an Atheist" topic seems to have drawn
fire by some of you because of an error regarding a comma. I admit the error
and apologize for this misunderstanding. I'm on bended knee and beg the
mercy of the TO court.<g>
A Sincere Apology to ALL --signed ADMAN
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Moving on,
There was other most valuable information put-forth in the post that no one
wanted to address.
Why is THAT?
The reason Darwin put forth his nonsense is equally as important in
determining the truth as is verifying such nonsense.
No it isn't. In science, the reasons for hypotheses don't matter at all.
What matters is the evidence you present for those hypotheses, and the
arguments you make.

The Post was about Grant (if you bothered to glance at the title)
It was a long and rambling post, only a small portion of which was about
grant.

Grant (the atheist) gave Darwin his ideas.The entire common decent thingy
was the pipe dream of an atheist from France. Only because the ideas were
"in vogue" at the time.
No such conclusion can be drawn from your sources.

Darwin was rich enough to leave his poor wife at home and spend much time
traveling around. To do what? To take Grant's ideas and make up stuff (as he
was well known for doing as a child) and write a book he never thought would
gather so much fame in the first place.
None of this is true. Darwin seldom left home after he was married.
Nothing in Darwin's publications is "made up" in the sense you mean.
Grant was only one of many sources of Darwin's ideas. And I suspect he
knew his book would become famous; that's one reason he had to be pushed
into publishing it.


A solid consensus of scholarship has long established that Darwin did
not believe that his book would become successful. In his
autobiography he said that evolution was not in the air, but only in
thought [and discussion].

What do you mean by "successful" here? He was surprised that it sold so well to the general public, certainly. But he knew it would "gather fame", because of the controversial nature of his claims. And that's why he didn't publish until forced. Like I said.

And we know that Darwin had no intention of publishing a theory
conceived in the late 1830s until the mid-to-late1850s. This fact has
been established by historian of science scholar John van Wyhe here:

http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=A544&pageseq=1

What is your point here?

And I should point out that your claims are self-contradictory. You
claim he wrote to gain attention, but never thought he would gain attention.

It seems that you too have contradicted yourself. Above you said "And
I suspect he knew his book would become famous" and now you say "but
never thought he would gain attention."

Perhaps I have misunderstood?

I think that should be your default position. I was summarizing Adman's claims, not my own. The clue to this would be at the start of the sentence, "You claim".

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