Re: Did God choose mathematics?

Charles Brenner wrote:
On Oct 23, 8:14 am, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Charles Brenner wrote:
On Oct 22, 10:17 am, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Charles Brenner wrote:
On Oct 2, 8:30 pm, "adman" wrote (inter alia):

[...] Someone or Something had to put into
motion all the natural laws of physics and mathematics discovered
so far in order for big bang to have happened in the first place.

"and mathematics" eh? I have always wondered if creationists
attribute mathematics to God, in the sense of God had a choice,
and chose, that mathematics could be one way rather than another.
In particular I wonder

Did God decide that 1+1=2? Some would say at this is merely one
way to state the definition of 2, but do you feel otherwise?

[snip further questions for now]

You look at God creating math in a very superficial, even trivial
and immature way. [... ]
Just because you are on a moving train does not mean the person
outside your window is moving. Man is using math to explain God.
God created man. Therefore God created math indirectly through man.
[snip lengthy meandering]

The meandering was valid information.

No doubt, but it wasn't on point to what I am trying to find out from
you. If you find the word "meandering" insulting I'm sorry; I don't
think it is. As for the snipping itself, of course your words still
exist in your own post so I didn't destroy them.

I get so amused at you nutsacks.

I realize that name-calling is part of the arsenal of many here on
both sides of the fence, but it's not part of mine.

I took the time to answer your ramblings
when it seems you only had a single question.

You said what came to your mind. That's not the same as answering a
question.

I said earlier: "God exists outside of time and space as we know
it." Someone or Something had to put into motion all the natural
laws of physics and mathematics or we would not have discovered
them.

I understand that is your claim. Whether it makes any sense,
especially with regard to mathematics, is what I'm trying to
explore.

You wrote at length but vaguely, and did not address my specific
questions, the simplest of which was

Did God decide that 1+1=2? Some would say at this is merely one
way to state the definition of 2, but do you feel otherwise?

Can you answer that?

I answered your question.

"God created man.Therefore God created math indirectly through man."
So if man discovers 1+1=2, and man knows this is true, then that
fact had to be there for us to discover it in the first place. If
you are asking if God assigned the values, well, who knows?

I went on to explain and further qualify my remarks.

You cut them out also.

Man has assigned the values you mention and thought up mathmatics to
explain the world around him. Which is an innate desire. It started
out with rocks, perhaps to count sheep. It advanced to money as a
counting tool in trade. Math further advanced as man's needs and
inquires advanced. So directly, it is mankind responsible for math.
Indirectly, God set everything up. We are just explaining what was
already set up with math. The 1+1=2 formula in God's dimention may
not use the 1+1 formula. That formula may only work in this
dimention between the start and end of time.

You seem to want a Yes or No answer to a question that is more
complicated then yes or no.

If you can imagine a simpler question that "Could it have been
different [than 2 being the answer to 1+1]?" please do tell. But
despite your protest, I THINK that in saying the "formula may work
only in this dimension ..." you have answered that God had the power
or the possibility to make it different -- perhaps make 1 and 1 come
out to 3?

It seems the laws that govern the universe are set. Could God change the
outcome to 1+1=3. I would assume yes if God is represented accurately in
most ancient texts. But that would be a result that does not make sense in
this dimention since we asigned the value of 2. But why would he change the
result? Highly unlikely since it would probably cause a domino effect on all
other related laws. How would 1+1=3 change the world and all formulas
related to that basic formula if it were to read 1+1=3? Mankind thought up
the values and groups of 10. How would math look in groups of 15? 17?

Truth be told, we have no idea how the universe came about. But for
everything to be here and follow some laws, that suggests the matter and the
laws were put here and in place by something that existed before time and
matter as we know them.

Maybe God does not need math but we can explain some of what has been put
into motion with math and science.

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