Re: Texas: Creationists appointed to review curriculum



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Mike Dworetsky wrote:
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On Oct 19, 4:05 pm, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Oct 18, 9:20 pm, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Yes. It's science which provided the knowledge engineers need
to build things.

The Z1 originally created by Germany's Konrad Zuse in his
parents living room in 1936 to 1938 is considered to be the
first electrical binary programmable computer.

...and he would have been unable to do so without the knowledge
provided by science.

Denial. Mechanical computers were before this one

So what?

Mechanical does not equal science.

Do you think he would have been able to do so without the
knowledge provided by science?

It's a simple question.
Why not answer it?

I have clearly demenstrated to you that computers are mechanical in
origin and use math and electronics today.





Originally named the V1, the Z1 began development in 1936 by
Germany's Konrad Zuse in his parents living room and today is
considered the first electrical binary programmable computer.
The Z1 had 64-word memory (each word contained 22 bits) and a
clock speed of 1 Hz. To program the the Z1 required that the
user insert punch tape into a punch tape reader and all output
was also generated through punch tape.

Gee, this sounds mechanical, not biological or scientific.

So do you think he just invented it with no reference whatsoever
to the knowledge provided by science?

You got proof otherwise?

Proof of what?

Do you think he would have been able to do so without the
knowledge provided by science?

It's a simple question.
Why not answer it?

There were mechanical computers thousands of years
ago

So what?

It would seem i have Konrad Zuse to thank. NOT science.

So do you think he would have been able to do so without the
knowledge provided by science?

I know so.

So you think that he invented the computer with no knowledge of
electricity, of magnetism, of materials science, of

Here is one, no science needed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvsnftXXKdw
The Abacus - How to Use This Ancient Wonder

What has that to do with your claim that Zuse was able to invent
computers without any need for the knowledge provided by science?
It's self-evidently a very silly claim, which explains why you are
trying like mad to evade the fact that you have made an utter fool
of yourself.

The claim was no science is necessary to make computers. The
mechanical computer is clear evidence of that.


No, if you read the thread you will see that I pointed out the irony
of your posting your anti-science nonsense using a device made
possible by the findings of science. You are not, I presume, posting
this from a mechanical computing device.

More to the point, mechanical computers are *also* made possible by
the findings of science. How do you think that the materials from
which they are made were developed?

Not by science. By man's ingenuity


That has to be the dumbest thing you have said since you arrived here
as a wart on the behind of t.o. Paraphrase:

"Materials for mechanical computers (high-grade steel, high quality
brass, etc) were not created using science, but were made by people
being clever about creating materials."

What the hell...do you.....think.....science is?????? (pauses
deliberate)

So iron age man was a scientist? He worked with metal also.


Metallurgy is a science. It isn't stretching a point too much to say this
and astronomy were the beginnings of science.

Incidentally, Babbage was able to design his mechanical computing
machine in Victorian times but was unable to construct it, because he
needed a lot of development money and better materials. It was not
constructed until the 1990s for the Science Museum, London, as an
exercise to see if it would actually work.

Computers are math and electronics. Not science.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/computing_and_data_processing/1878-3.aspx
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/onlinestuff/stories/babbage.aspx

No electricity involved.

Babbage's Difference Engine 2.

Babbage's Analytical Engine would have been a programmable mechanical
computer, and it was designed but never built.

"The designs for the Analytical Engine include almost all the essential
logical features of a modern electronic digital computer. The engine was
programmable using punched cards. It had a 'store' where numbers and
intermediate results could be held and a separate 'mill' where the
arithmetic processing was performed. The separation of the 'store' (memory)
and 'mill' (central processor) is a fundamental feature of the internal
organisation of modern computers.

"The Analytical Engine could have `looped' (repeat the same sequence of
operations a predetermined number of times) and was capable of conditional
branching (IF. THEN. statements) i.e. automatically take alternative courses
of action depending on the result of a cacluation.

"The Engine would have been vast. Had it been built it would have needed to
be operated by a steam engine of some kind. Babbage made little attempt to
raise funds to build the Analytical Engine. Instead he continued to work on
simpler and cheaper methods of manufacturing parts and built a small trial
model which was under construction at the time of his death."

The first operational electronic/mechanical computer, Colossus, was used to
decode German Enigma intercepts at Bletchley Park, England. Scientists,
engineers, and mathematicians were all involved in its development and use.

--
Mike Dworetsky

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