Re: Defination of evolution

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:19:33 -0500, "\(M\)-adman" <grat@xxxxxxxxxx>
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richardalanforrest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Oct 17, 1:55 pm, "\(M\)-adman" <g...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Boony wrote:
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Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or as re-education)
consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and
beliefs in a person - beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict
with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge,[1] in order to
affect that individual's value system and subsequent
thought-patterns and behaviors.

Like the religious indoctrination of children?

You raise a good point.

Reciting religious chants over and over could be considered a form of
"brainwashing".
But they could also be considered nothing more then affirmations of
ones faith. And a form of meditation.

Evolution OTOH wants to replace current dogma with it's own dogma
using some of the methods above.

Do we see serried ranks of devotees chanting mantras in praise of
"evolution"?

And with identical answers as if part of a borg collective

If 100 people tell you that 2 + 2 = 4, are they part of a Borg
Collective? Or if they tell you that f = ma? If not, why should it
surprise you that people who respond to you substantially agree on the
topic of evolution?

It must be frustrating for you when educated people all seem to
disagree with you in the same way. Has it ever occurred to you that
they may be right?

Or children being pressured to memorise passages from the
works of "evolution's" holy books?

Only if they want a passing grade

I've yet to hear of a single "holy book" of evolution, nor a case of
children being forced to memorize passages from them to receive a
passing grade in a class. Can you provide specific examples?

Or shrines or temples to "evolution"?

You mean like the "School of Human Evolution and Social Change building"?

This one even says on the building is after social change

What has that to do with biological evolution? Sociology /= biology.

Or "evolution" putting pressure on governments to change
laws against the prohibition on teaching religion in public schools?

The atheists are doing that. But they do it in the name of science

Actually, in the US, people who oppose the teaching of religion in
public schools normally do so on the basis of the Constitution, not
science, and they oppose not teaching about religion (it would be
impossible to teach history or literature without bringing up
religion), but of advocating a particular religious point of view, or
forcing students to participate in school-led religious activities.


Exactly methods does "Evolution" demand? What does "evolution" state
as dogma?

The mind boggles at the books written

This mind is unsurprised at your complete failure to provide one
example in response. Try again.

Evolution is a phenomenon of nature. Science investigates this
phenomenon, and does so using the same tools as any other branch of
science. It presents no dogma, only the conclusions drawn from the
evidence, and makes the evidence from which those conclusions are
drawn explicit and clear.

That is a dogma

Explain. Your response makes no sense in context.

The silly assertion that "evolution" is a form of religion is just
another example of the dishonesty of creationists.

It is a belief system regarding life, just as religion is a belief system
regarding life

"Gravity guides the planets in their orbits" is a belief system
regarding physics, just as "Angels guide the planets in their orbits"
is a belief system regarding physics, but it would be too silly for
words to suggest that acceptance of gravity is somehow a form of
religion.


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