Re: Question for Ray

KlausH wrote:
Boikat wrote:
On Oct 13, 11:40 am, spintronic <spintro...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 13, 5:03 pm, Boikat <boi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Oct 13, 10:19 am, spintronic <spintro...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 13, 4:13 pm, "Rolf" <rolf.aalb...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
What about dogs. Are they also one of your specially created
species, or are their existence the result of selective
breeding, starting with wolves? With selection beginning about
14.000 years ago?
Kill all humans today.
All domesticated dogs would die in 2 years.
Wrong. Distinct breeds may die out over a short period of time,
but they will leave offspring that will survive and continue to
reproduce. There are examples in the carolinas of a yellowish dog,
for example.
http://www.carolinadogs.com/
Which are the descendants of Native American domesticated dogs that
have been living in the wild for centuries.
Related:
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/nreos/wild/pdf/wildlife/FERAL_DOGS.PDF
(For the PDF impared)
http://www.extension.org/pages/Feral_Dogs
You would be left with wolves.
No, you would have wolves and feral dogs that often resemble
wolves, but that would not be the only types. A lot would depend
on the environmental pressures (Natural selection, which is, while
a relatively simple concept, is probably beyond your grasp).
Would a chihuahua, as a breed, survive? Not likely. Would any
pure breed of any kind survive? That would also be doubtful, since
many pure breeds have inbred genetic disorders that tag along as
baggage of the breed's desired traits. But once feral, and
selective breeding controls are removed, there is likely going to
be enough interbreeding that the genetic disorders will be weeded
out, and a mogrel breed could develop that is suited for it's
environment, not dependant on humans, and lacks the genetic
defects of some types of pure bred dogs. Boikat
Hmm, since your citations are dogs living while humans do. They are
useless.

Wouldn't you say?-

You really overdid the stupid pills today, didn't you? No, the
citations pull the rug out from under your claims. The example of the
Carolina Dogs should is enough to demonstrate your claim is false.
The fact is celear enough that dogs can live in the wild wthout being
dependant on humans. As a matter of fact, it you had done a little
more poking around on the matter of the Carolina Dogs, you would have
found that they were headed towards extinction due to habitat
distruction and other *human imposed* factors. They would have been
doing just fine, *except* for modern human intereactions.

They also would still be wolves just as spintonic said. They would go back
to being wolves once the selective breeding and genetic mutations were
removed. Remove the human factor of selective breeding and dogs would go
back to being wolves.

The carolina dog is an excellent example of this selective breeding.

Learn some history:

" The Carolina Dog is a feral relic of antiquity, directly related to the
Australian Dingo, African Jackal, and New Guinea Singing Dog, and has been
only recently discovered surviving in uninhabited areas of our own
Southeastern United States. The Carolina Dog was most likely the "Indian
dog" base stock which interbred with dogs brought in by Spanish explorers,
producing the ancestors of what we now call Catahoulas. "

http://www.catahoulaleopard.com/homepg.htm

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