Re: Seanpit, ID and complexity

On Oct 12, 2:20 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]

The fact that RF is an Atheist and that Sean is a Theist could very
well explain his opinion, however. Sean accepts microevolution, common
ancestry, random mutation and I assume natural selection.

Ray, could you define the following terms and tell us exactly why you
think (using empirical evidence to support your position) each of them
actually does not exist in nature?

microevolution
common ancestry
random mutation
natural selection


There is
nothing creationistic about these facts.

I certainly agree that they are all "facts", if by that you mean that
they are so well supported by empirical evidence that one would have
to be a deluded fool to claim that they don't exist in nature. But,
since creationism by a supernatural entity can perform that 'creation'
by whatever mechanism he chooses, it certainly makes sense that the
mechanism he used would be consistent with these "facts" rather than
inconsistent with them.


All of the former were
originally accepted on the basis of being caused by unguided material
causation (= absence of Guide).

I think that should be *apparent* absence of a Guide and *apparently*
unguided material causation. Just like how God, if he exists, works
through the *apparently* unguided material causation we call
'gravity'. Denial of 'gravity', of course, is a cause of 'levity'.

[snip]

The point is that Sean is anything but a liar. He is, in my opinion,
genuinely confused.

Which, of course, could be why is a lying. But you are assuming that
your lies are better lies than Sean's lies, because your lies are
bigger and deny things like the (as far as we can tell) randomness of
mutation that even Sean cannot swallow. Which merely means that even
Sean has a tenuous grasp on empirical reality that you lack.

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