Seanpit, ID and complexity

seanpit makes a big deal about the analogy between SETI and ID.
unfortunately for him, seth shostak and other SETI researchers think
ID is codswallop...but that's another issue

seanpit uses the SETI analogy primarily because we know how radio
waves are formed...there's a mechanism. but his ID 'theory' has no
mechanism so must, necessarily, rely on analogies to hide his failure.

but there's ANOTHER issue he hasn't dealt with. it's a marshall
mcluhan idea: the medium is the message.

you can tell, by analyzing the structure of a radio signal, whether or
not it's content is 'intelligently designed' or not. you can do that
because we have non-intelligent radio signals to compare.

but where is a non-intelligent DNA structure? DNA structure is not
radio waves. it's not based on radio waves. DNA is chemistry, not
electromagnetism. there is nothing in seanpit's analogy which
validates or justifies the comparison.

we can not tell, for example, by examining the complexity of sequence
of nucleotides in a DNA sample, whether it was created by intelligent
humans in the lab, or whether it's natural. without some non
intelligent source of DNA to compare it to, we have no idea whether or
not its complexity was natural or not. even if seanpit is correct, and
evolution can't produce DNA changes that code for greater than
1000aa's, some other natural process can not be ruled out.

in this case, the medium is the message. radio waves communicate
information, but not process. DNA does both. DNA codes for
proteins...it causes an effect that radio waves do not. there is HUGE
difference in the ways DNA and radio waves handle info.

and even if he is correct in saying that DNA could not have been been
produced by evolution, how does this rule out DNA being subject to
evolution? if he has an alternative process that produces speciation,
if speciation is occurring today (and it is), then what is the
mechanism? again he doesn't say.

seanpit's use of SETI is misleading...primarily to himself. he has
confused radio waves with chemistry. he has confused the medium with
the message. he has confused content with structure. in short, his
analogy is so off base that it, in and of itself, is evidence of the
failure of ID to be legitimate.

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  • Re: Seanpit, ID and complexity
    ... What SETI researchers are looking for are beacon transmissions: ... comes to informationally rich DNA and biomachines. ... it's not based on radio waves. ...
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  • Re: Seanpit, ID and complexity
    ... not DNA ... your SETI analogy is exactly that...an analogy. ... it's not based on radio waves. ... that's why you can't tell us how an 'intelligent designer' works. ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: Seanpit, ID and complexity
    ... Shostak doens't understand that the basic theory of ID is the same ... Turns out that SETI scientists propose ... comes to informationally rich DNA and biomachines. ... it's not based on radio waves. ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: Seanpit, ID and complexity
    ... various kinds of radiosignals. ... Turns out that SETI scientists propose ... comes to informationally rich DNA and biomachines. ... it's not based on radio waves. ...
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  • Re: Seanpit, ID and complexity
    ... seanpit uses the SETI analogy primarily because we know how radio ... but where is a non-intelligent DNA structure? ... it's not based on radio waves. ...
    (talk.origins)