Re: Mark Isaak is trapped

On 13 Jul, 09:59, "nando_rontel...@xxxxxxxxx"
<nando_rontel...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There is widespread grudging acceptance of evolution among the public,
because it is science and therefore it must be true. But the public is
still on the side of creationism, simply because the logic of
creationism is inherent in practical knowledge which they use every
day.

there is some truth to this statement. Evolution just doesn't make
sense to many people. This is partly because they don't understand it,
but also from a gut feeling that themselves and their children
*cannot*
arise from blind natural forces not matter how artfully applied.

In this they are simply wrong.


- the spiritual precedes the material

many people believe this despite the fact that it is gibberish.
What is "the spiritual"?

- by free acts the spiritual creates and organizes material things

again widely believed bilge water

- the spiritual can only be discovered by decision

I'm not sure about this one... That is I'm not sure if people
believe it or not because I havn't the faintest idea what it
means.


So people understand that babies are born from love,

yeah, right!! <sarcasm>


or that they
ought to be born from love, and that love is not any kind of substance
which can be measured, but that they know love by their heart through
faith.

have you thought of doing mottos in greetings cards?

And people have dozens more beliefs like that,

mostly wrong



where the
structure is always as above. The truth is explained in hundreds of
thousands of songs and movies.

It might have some relevence to human behaviour. It doesn't
tell us anything about chemistry, physics, geology or car maintenance.
This is because these are based on facts not wishful thinking.


I heard a story of three girls sharing a house. The washing
machine malfunctioned and continued to spin without end.

One girl had hysterics. One girl knelt down and gave the washing
machine
a hug (I'm not making this up). The third girl pulled the plug out.

Perhaps all of human nature is in this little parable.

It's the people who pull the plug out who keep the world running




Why don't scientists get the basic facts about the way things are?

because hugging the washing machine isn't going to make it stop


Science is an open enterprise in which anybody can participate,

anyone who can observe and reason clearly.


so the
fact that scientists [are deluded] disagree about the way things are says
something about humanity.

yes... That common sense is much less common than you might expect


It says when we set out to try and get
knowledge, do science, then our secret wish for a measurable good and
evil takes hold, and blinds us.

you have that backward


That's a fitting description of how many of these scientists become to
be as people. They don't judge good and evil by their heart anymore,
they judge good and evil according to some measurable criteria.

bollocks


--
Nick Keighley

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by
those
who don't have it." -- George Bernard Shaw

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Relevant Pages

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