Re: Is everything inevitable?

On Jul 23, 7:09 pm, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
Scríobh Joseph Humming <jos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:





On Jul 23, 8:49 am, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
Scríobh Joseph Humming <jos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

On Jul 22, 9:27 pm, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
Scríobh Joseph Humming <jos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

On Jul 22, 8:16 am, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
Scríobh Joseph Humming <jos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Suspicious...

I don't know what existed before our universe. My intuition says some
kind of perfervid energy with a tendency to produce matter.

Try getting your head around the following: There was no "before".

Outside of this universe, time itself doesn't exist, its a property of
the entity.

As a mystery, that's a beauty, it puts transubstantiation and trinity
in the hapenny place.
Conas ta tu, a Fheacadoir. Coming from The Big Smoke - the place where
you guys won't be coming to this September.

We'll always have 92.

2092?

That may be a tad optimistic.
Nah, I was out of order. '92 is written in gold.

(Apologies to my trans-Atlantic readership - that was an Irish injoke)

Yeah, truth to tell,  I find it hard to get my head around the notion
that  there was no time before the universe. And then another
correspondent says existence is eternal. Curious. Maybe there were no
units of time - obviously. But surely there was a passage of events.
Does that not constitute the basis of...time?

Oh, I'm sure you'll put me right, Manus.

As Dorothy Parker once said, there's no there there.

But there was something not there. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. We'd
still be not there. .

Ach, you don't get the mystery at all. There wasn't something not
there, because there was nowhere for something not to be. There wasn't
even a vacuum, because there was nowhere for it to be.
No. Maybe not "somewhere" but certainly "something".

It ain't necessarily so.

Without some-
thing there is no-thing and the universe did not come from no-thing.

Quantum mechanics suggests otherwise.

And if there was some-thing can we not presume that it did not create
a universe in its instant of origination. So it existed.

It may not seem like it to you, but that's a pretty big if.

The outcome is a pretty big it.

Where did it
exist? I know that I have a horribly prosaic mind.- but I happen to
believe that existence without location or duration, for that matter,
is impossible.

There's no reason to believe that.
There are many reasons for believing it. Indeed, it flies in the face
of intuition - if intuition has a face - not to believe it. But I'm
out of my depth. Speculation is my forte.

If it helps, consider the zen riddle my sister was fond of as a kid:
     Q- What's red and invisible?
     A- No tomatoes.

Did your sister by any chance happen to have a cat called
Schrodinger?

We're dog people.

Dalmatians are my favourite. I have one called Spot.

--
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
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