Re: Ray Martinez

On Jun 20, 4:34 am, "J.J. O'Shea" <try.not...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:42:23 -0400, Ray Martinez wrote
(in article
<9fb102b6-d543-4f1f-82cb-663b33e91...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

On Jun 4, 6:11 am, "J.J. O'Shea" <try.not...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2008 22:49:46 -0400, Ray Martinez wrote
(in article
<7efb3c36-8d1b-4084-bfd3-8d828248e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

Right, this 40 percent accepts a God guided evolution.

We do? Wanna bet?

I was speaking about the stated beliefs of the 40 percent in the
polling data. It says this massive group of persons accept a God
guided evolution.

No we don't. At least I don't and neither do any of the various other theists
I know of. We figure that evolution is a fact, given the vast amount of
evidence supporting it. God may have _started_ the process, but there is
_zero_ evidence that He did thing one to guide it in any direction whatsoever
once it started.


I agree that evolution says that God is not involved.

BUT the point is that this objective viewpoint is not held by most
Theists-Christians who accept evolutionary theory. They believe God
guides evolution:

Polling Data:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

"Theistic evolution

Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of
life, but God guided this process, including man's creation.

40 percent."

Where does this mass of persons obtain their belief that God guides
evolution?

Of course they get this view from being misled by other evolutionists
who sacrifice the objective claim of the theory (God not involved) in
order to secure their support.

Please note that the 40 percent described above are neither
creationists or evolutionists, but a subjective and confused hybrid.
This is what YOUR lying scholars and educators have wrought, including
the biggest liars of all: the Clergy Letter Project.

You may, of course, point out any evidence that we might have missed. Note
that Biblical quotes are not evidence.



J.J. - where did this mass of persons obtain this belief?

We don't.


The polling data link places YOU in the far right column with the
Atheists. Your position is Deism which gets packaged with Atheism.



We both know
there is no such thing as "God guided" or "God supervised" evolution.

Amazing. You got something right.


If God is INvolved it aint evolution. That is the objective claim of
evolution since 1859. Of course the TEists in the polling data believe
in a theory that does not exist. Darwinism does not say God guides
evolution and the Bible says God is directly INvolved with all
biological production.

The point is: YOUR pro-evolution masses are dumb Fundamentalists.


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You are correct that something is amazing but incorrect as to what
that actually is. What is amazing is that a creationist and a
evolutionist agree concerning a 101 fact about evolution.

What's not amazing is that you're being an idiot. Again. As usual.



Ray

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Ray Martinez, British Natural Theologian.


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