Re: thoughts on Jesus

On Fri, 23 May 2008 18:18:07 +0100,
alwaysaskingquestions <alwaysaskingquestions@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Fri, 23 May 2008 08:08:57 +0100,
alwaysaskingquestions <alwaysaskingquestions@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:42:09 +0100, alwaysaskingquestions wrote:

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Scríobh "alwaysaskingquestions" <alwaysaskingquestions@xxxxxxxxx>:
Féachadóir wrote:
Scríobh "alwaysaskingquestions" <alwaysaskingquestions@xxxxxxxxx>:

[...]

Your subjective assessment is irrelevant. There's nothing unique
about
your abilities. You might as well argue that blue whales are special
because nothing else is as big. We're at the end of a spectrum, not
in
a class of our own.

A spectrum suggests a series of graduated points with some overlap,
not the massive leap from say chimpanzees to Man as opposed to say
dogs to chimpanzees (examples only, pick whatever comparative species
you like)

I do not accept the assertion that the leap from chimp to man is
massive in comparison to the leap from dog to chimpanzee, but we'll
let that slide.

If you want more fine grain between chimp and man (or rather from our
common ancestor to us both) spend a little time learning about your
closest relatives. You know, H Neanderthal, H Erectus, H Habilis, all
those Australopithecines....

The problem is comparing those in terms of cognitive development. The
only available indicator is tool use. [...]

You mean that skill which chimpanzees do so well?

That damned chimp next door, keeps borrowing my screwdrivers and spanners
and never brings them back ....

The difference, once again, is in degree. A chimp uses a stick to get
ants.
That's tool use. That suggests a fairly high degree of cognitive ability.
Yes, it's not as impressive as a carpenter's tool set, but still, the fact
is that the rudimentary neural hardware is there.

I've already said that *some* primitive cognitive skills are seen in other
species, one of the questions that I posed - which nobody has actually
answered - is that considering that other species do show the basic ability,
why is Man the only species where those skills have evolved to such a high
level?

Look at the size of our brain. Look at how much of our brain is dedicated
to just this sort of processing. Do you honestly want us to believe that
this nebulous thing you can't even define called a "soul" is where the
difference lies?


The same applies to
language. The same applies to culture. The same applies to social
hierarchies. No one is arguing they are our equal, that's your own little
bit mocking hyperbole. But what we are arguing is that our "specialness"
is
one of *degree*.

That's a bit like saying the difference between a horse drawn buggy and a
Formula 1 car is simply one of degree.

Well know, in that case, the means of locomotion are substantially
different. How about the difference between a 1914 Model T and a Formula 1.

But anyway, it's a hell of a degree
whatever measure you use so why has such a disparity developed, why has no
other species got beyond the primitive level?

You just don't understand evolution, I'm afraid. There's no direction.
There's no reason to suppose that if we ran the whole thing from 3.9 billion
years ago down to today that we would end up with apes that could build
airplanes, or with apes at all.

This is where your argument keeps hitting the wall. Your faith informs you
that there's some sort of selection *towards* humans.

--
Aaron Clausen mightymartianca@xxxxxxxxx

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