Re: What is Intelligent Design?

On May 15, 3:22 pm, Bill <b...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 13, 9:04 pm, DJT <mousede...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On May 13, 6:54 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:> On May 13, 5:03 am, Ron O <rokim...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Ron is truly a mental
patient, completely ignorant to the fact that before 1859 ID-
Creationism was the majority paradigm of science.

He's "ignorant" of something that's not true.   Creationism was never
scientific, and never  the "paradigm" of science.   At best it was a
default, unscientific position, which was replaced by a real theory by
Darwin.

Ron showcases for us
the average deluded evolutionist, mindlessly babbling and wholly
ignorant without an ounce of objectivity in his thoughts or actions.

Well, Ray, when it comes to "objectivity" or "ignorance", you are
hardly the one to talk.     You have mistaken your own bizarre ideas
for what is "objective" and your own lack of knowledge for the
ignorance of others.      Remember how you railed about my "ignorance"
about natural selection, when it was your own ignorance on display?

DJT

So, we have a choice: a point of view (evolution or creationism) is
correct or not based on who's says what about it or it is or is not
scientific. Either way we learn nothing about anything other than
people have opinions. How about the proposition that something can be
"true" regardless of whether anyone believes it or is even aware of
it? This frees reality from any dependence on the human imagination
and enables the human imagination to discover reality. Or' put another
way, reality maybe more than we can imagine and possibly, more than we
can know. There might actually be insoluble mysteries.

Bill-

Anyone is free to believe whatever they want. They are not free to
misrepresent their beliefs. To misrepresent creationism as science is
to lie. Good or bad, biological evolution is science. Nothing that
the creationists have come up with makes that grade. The anti-science
factions have tried to get evolution out of the classroom a number of
ways. They have banned it, and as recently as 1999 they just dropped
it out of the Kansas science standards. It isn't just evolution that
they tried to get rid of. They dropped other things like the age of
the earth out of the science standards, radio active decay, and the
big bang. They have tried to claim that evolution is a religious
notion, but that failed for obvious reasons. They have proposed
various alternatives like creation science and intelligent design to
try to compete with biological evolution, but they have never been
able to produce the science to support their religious alternatives.
That is just the reality that we live in. Some people can accept it
and others just lie about it. There is another group that are just
ignorant, but ignorance isn't any excuse when you claim to know what
you are talking about.

Ron Okimoto

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