Re: What is Intelligent Design?

On 2008-05-09 07:54:26 -0400, TomS <TomS_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

"On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:05:33 -0400, in article
<4823cd8d$0$7051$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, sprocket stated..."

On 2008-05-07 09:05:38 -0400, Vernon Balbert <vbalbert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

What is Intelligent Design?

This question is directed towards the adherents to ID. I keep seeing
people arguing in such a way that makes this seem like a question whose
answer is situational. So I want to lock it down: What, exactly, is ID
to somebody who believes in ID?

From what I understand, part of it is a formula to calculate
probability of given object or 'information system' as they like to
call it, as a product of intelligence. Nevermind, that in all
occurances where we can actually determine intelligent causation, we
know or assume possible 'designers' already, how they are inclined to
behave, what they can build, and what natural causes, if any, could
lead to similarly created objects. And that somehow, we should just
go ahead and rule out natural causation for the formation of life
because its a waste of time and resources.

They like to compare ID to systematic flaking, where we look at certain
characteristics of a rock to determine if a rock was chipped for use as
a primitive tool by ancient man or a primate, or formed naturally by
erosion, rock slides, etc.

But ...

I have never seen an advocate of ID propose a calculation
of the probability of a given object as a product of
intelligence.

At best, they propose a calculation of the probability of
a given object as a product of evolution.

Never the probability of their "alternative".

They remain satisfied if their calculation of the probability
of evolution is sufficiently small. (Whether or not that
calculation is accurate, that's another question.)

Oh, its ok. One of them did it. Once... somewhere in private, but threw away the results.

Trust them.

.

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