Re: How Science Gets Swiftboated

On 8 May, 02:22, "J.J. O'Shea" <try.not...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:05:45 -0400, Max wrote
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On Apr 30, 12:21 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
AC wrote:

Good grief, Klaus.  You know goddamned well what the "swiftboating" was
about.  It was a pack of GOP liars claiming Kerry's record in Vietnam was a
fraud.  Even that coke-head retard you seem to think is such a great
president didn't deny Kerry's service record.  How could he, considering
that New England-cum-Texan retard was spared by daddy's money and influence
from ever having to serve in active operations.

The Retard still piloted warplanes which put him in harm's way. That is
more than the draft dodging phoney Bill Clinton ever did. Anyone who
pilots a military aircraft, maintained by military crews, is in harm's way.

Pardon me,  but wasn't the subject Kerry and the swift boaters?
But as long as we're on this new subject, do you have any statistics
on the mortality of military pilots who don't see combat? I think if
you're going to make the claim of being in harms way, you need to show
a significant degree of risk. Though I have no evidence, I would
suspect I was at greater risk during my time as a bike messenger than
Bush in his plane.

You might want to read the Tom Wolfe book _The Right Stuff_. Over the course
of a 20-year career, military aviators in general and naval aviators in
particular rack up a significant number of casualties, just flying in
peacetime. (Famously the most stressful part of a combat strike over Hanoi in
the Vietnam War wasn't dodging flak and SAMs over the target, but landing on
the carrier when they got home...)

Also, back when I was reading Flight International on a regular basis, one of
its regular columns was 'Tracer... Tracer... Tracer...' which listed the last
week's happenings in military aviation worldwide. Most of the column were
casualty reports; my fav, after all these years, was the report about the two
Pakistani F-16s which were written off, killing one of the pilots, when they
hit some wild boar on take-off. (FI also had a listing of all the air-to-air
kills by both sides in Bush the Elder's Gulf War; my fav part of that was the
report about the two Iraqi MiGs which were killed by EF-111s, despite the
EF-111s lacking guns or missiles. Apparently the Electric Fox jocks flew real
low and real fast and the MiGs tried to follow 'em and ran into the ground
instead. Oops.)

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Also from Flight International many years ago was a report of a Boeing
747 hitting a hyena at Nairobi Airport.

Wombat

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