Re: Commentary: EXPELLED Panned by Critics! Surprised?

On Apr 20, 9:05 pm, Inez <savagemouse...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 20, 4:34 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Apr 20, 2:54 pm, Jackson Pillock <jacksonpill...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote innews:3788abd9-321b-4d42-bb3e-d0c98d0b17a2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

On Apr 20, 2:03 pm, Jackson Pillock <jacksonpill...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
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On Apr 20, 2:29 am, Jackson Pillock <jacksonpill...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 20 Apr, 01:12, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Could we expect Atheists and evolutionists to say or believe
anything else concerning their enemy?Again I ask, what is the
point?

This film's premise is demonstrably false. That's the truth, and the
point.

Do you care whether your 'enemies' are right or wrong? Do you examine
the substance of what's being said, or only the source?

Third request:

But could we expect Atheists and evolutionists to say anything else
about a film that is very friendly to ID and very hostile to
evolution?

It's unlikely, since ID is inherently dishonest. In the words of one
reviewer: '...doing science has never been their goal.Their (ID proponents)
goal is to make biblical creationism appear scientific in order to skirt
the constitutional ban on religion in public schools. Contrary to the
film's claims, the real dogmatists are not the defenders of Darwin, but the
religiously motivated advocates of intelligent design.'

Could we expect an Atheist or evolutionist to say anything else
concerning their perceived enemy?

We already know that Atheists and evolutionists misrepresent anyone
who opposes them this way, what is the point?

Are you capable of answering a simple question?

Let me re-phrase:

Is there any precedence of evolutionists not saying or believing their
enemy to be dishonest?

Sure. Ken Miller (a theistic evolutionist), takes creationism at its word,
and discusses their motivations as honest, but ill-informed:

All this says is that an evolutionist believes his opponent is
ignorant, very predictable. I suppose IDists believe the same about
Miller. Intelligent people know the "agree with me or you are ignorant
card" is a bad idea.

You say this as if the argument is happening in a vacuum and we don't
need any details to understand it.  Did "Expelled" present any data,
or is it just an opinion piece?

Data is recorded observation, and yes, they did. And most is verified,
accepted knowledge. That the participants observed claim those
observations are false does not make the film "data free".

It seems to me that creationists who present detailed arguments get
detailed responses, and not just a knee-jerk "you're wrong."  I give
you the various John Harshman/Sean Pitman threads from this board over
the last few months as an example.  If your side has little to no
actual data then who's fault is that?

I'd say your data is on Star Trek, which is what you should be
watching.


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