Re: How did a monkey give birth to a human ?

On Apr 1, 11:17 am, backspace <sawireless2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 1, 11:38 am, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

But, we didn't see much noticable day to day change, did we ? No.
It happened, but so slowly to our time senses, that we didn't notice
it.
Now, up the time used to do something like this to species, and the
changes day to day, year to year, generation to generation ( Which for
a lot of species isn't more than a year. ), and you can get some major
changes.

It depends what is your mechanism.

Natural selection, of course. It has been explained and defined for
you numerous times.

This is the mistake that Ham makes
when he says how impossible it is for species transition to take
place.

No, his mistake is that he just makes stuff up.

You haven't defined for us the mechanism,

Yes, we have. I have seen dumber people, but none so determined to be
ignorant.

what is your mechanism

It isn't anybody's mechanism.

and
where is it defined

It is defined whenever a knowledgeable person answer your question.

and derived from first principles.

It is not derived from first principles; it is derived from a society
of rational people looking at verifiable evidence.


It is not impossible for a monkey to give birth to a human or a cow to
turn into a whale - nothing is impossible, it all depends on what is
your mechanism.

That is true. If the mechanism is, say, an omnipotent god who has
inexplicable motives and hides all evidence for its existence, then a
human could give birth to a cow. Since anything could happen with that
mechanism, there is no way to predict anything specific. It is a
useless and unscientific model.

On the other hand, standard evolutionary theory makes very specific
predictions, many of which have panned out. Some in the past have not,
and the theory has had to be modified.

One theory is that changes are not normally greater from one
generation to the next than you see everyday. But driven by selection
(natural or otherwise), these changes can accumulate.

This is what nobody understands neither the YEC, Evo
and ID camps.

No, we understand perfectly well. You don't know how to use your own
mother tongue. Alas! There are no reassurances for your comfort zone;
nature is not determined by your emotional preferences, nor by your
fear of reality.

Kermit

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