Re: Problem for physicalist evolutionists

On Mar 27, 7:14 am, someone2 <glenn.spig...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 27 Mar, 00:02, brog...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:





On Mar 27, 3:28 am, someone2 <glenn.spig...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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So you are saying that if a system had a first person perspective, and
each of the nodes was fed its individual pixel from the camera, that
no further physical interaction between any of the 100 nodes and the
rest of the system would be required, the system would know what the
information was in each of the 100 nodes in the sense that it could
have a first person perspective of the picture.

Bingo!

The nodes are already linked and are "inside" the "I". There is not a
need to feed all their input into one central, master, superduper
node. That does not mean that the nodes are not connected; there are
all sorts of connections. But nothing has to come together in one,
single spot to generate a FPP.

If I see a baseball coming at me, in fact, it is much more than a
simple question of pixels; there are edge detectors, color detectors,
motion detectors, modules that predict the expected path, etc. Then
there are connections to language centers (so I shout "hey, who threw
that?"), connections to social agent detectors so I can, later, try to
figure out whether it was thrown in anger or as a joke, connections to
motor centers so I can either duck or catch the ball, more connections
to language centers so I can tell a story to myself about what just
happened. All those things are going on; they all interact to a
greater or lesser extent, but they do not all "report" to a central
node in which a spiritual homunculus evaluates all the reports. The
unity is simply physical; all those things are happening in the same
body. That's the physical basis of the FPP.

There is a "binding problem", but it is a technical problem in
neurobiology, not a deep philosophical problem that points to
spiritualism.

The nodes aren't physically linked though are they. The camera just
set their state by laser (assume you have been following the
converstation). So what links them, other than they are decreed to
come under the "system" label. I have a first person perspective, if
it was decreed some else's brain was part of the same system as mine,
then would I gain telepathy, or would they have to also decree it, or
maybe get some physicalist professors to declare it? I had suggested
no physical linkage, or form of communication and you replied "bingo".


I lost your meaning, because earlier you seemed concerned that it was
a problem some activity would have to happen in multiple nodes
simultaneously. If you stipulate that there are no connections or
interactions betwen the nodes then, no, you'll only have a bunch of
separate light detectors. So what?

We are claiming that the FPP arises from the distributed activity of a
bunch of distinct, but interacting nodes, and that the results of that
activity do not need to be funnelled into a single central node, for
the FPP to be there.



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