Re: Problem for physicalist evolutionists

On 26 Mar, 20:06, leland.mcin...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Mar 26, 3:40 pm, someone2 <glenn.spig...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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The question has been about the first person perspective from the
beginning. It has never been about simply processing, and how the
system could process what could be thought of as prepresenting a
picture. Processing just requires each node to do its job on the bit
it is operating on, no recognition of what the picture was is
required, and recognition, just reporting back, again doesn't require
a first person perspective. You can have handwriting recognition
systems, no one is suggesting that the computer has a first person
perspective.

To have a first person perspective, of a picture for example, does
require all the information to have a certain perspective is
available. So let's say the 10 x 10 picture is of a filled in square
which is 8 x 8, that the information came from a camera, a channel to
each node, and that the 100 nodes within the system containing
information are part of a larger system. Now are you suggesting that
no communication of the information held by each node is necessary for
the system to have a first person perspective, as the information is
already known by the system, by virtue of the node being under the
"system" label?

No, I'm saying that presuming the system has first person perspective
in general, it requires no further commuication to have a first person
perspective of the picture, since the representation of the picture is
already contained within the system that is the first person
perspective. Thus having a first person perspective of the picture
does not require all the information to be simultaneously assembled
somewhere, since it is already, in some sense, assembled. That answers
your question of how a physicalist can claim that something has a
first person perspective of a pciture, and reconcile that with the
need to simultaneously collate all the information. If you want to
address the more general question of how a system can have a first
person perspective in general, then read "Consciousness Explained"
since I can't recall every detail off the top of my head, and wouldn't
care to type it all in for you even if I could. I'm sure your library
has a copy.


So you are saying that if a system had a first person perspective, and
each of the nodes was fed its individual pixel from the camera, that
no further physical interaction between any of the 100 nodes and the
rest of the system would be required, the system would know what the
information was in each of the 100 nodes in the sense that it could
have a first person perspective of the picture.


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