Re: And the winner is *** Post of the Month for November 2006 ***

On Mar 18, 11:12 am, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 17, 6:06 pm, Friar Broccoli <Elia...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mar 16, 5:59 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Ray,

I snipped almost all of what both of us wrote in the preceding
posts because I like focusing on central issues....

In other words you received a spanking.



....and believe
that the following statement from you is directed to the core
issue that separates us:

RM> There isn't any evidence for evolution - none.

For the past year or so the starting point evidence for
evolution that I have been posting is as follows:

These fossils illustrate the step by step evolution of the
human brain over the past 2.5 million years from about 450cc
to it's present size of about 1350cc:

STS 5
Mrs. Ples
Species: Australopithecus africanus
Age: 2.6 million years
Brain Size: 485cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/sts5.html

STS 71
Species: Australopithecus africanus
Age: 2.5 million years
Brain Size: 428cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/sts71.html

KNM ER 1813
Species: Homo habilis
Age: 1.9 million years
Brain Size: 510cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/ER1813.html

KNM ER 1470
Species: Homo rudolfensis
Age: 1.8 million years
Brain Size: 775cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/er1470.html

KNM ER 3733
Species: Homo ergaster
Age: 1.75 million years
Brain Size: 850 cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/ER3733.html

KNM WT 15000
"The Turkana Boy"
Species: Homo ergaster
Age: 1.6 million years
Brain Size: 880cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/WT15k.html
rotatable skull here:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/qt/wt15kmov.html

Peking Man
Species: Homo erectus
Age: 500-230 thousand years
Brain Size: 1043cc (average of 5 skulls)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/weid2.htm

"Rhodesian Man"
Species: Homo heidelbergensis
Age: 300-125 thousand years
Brain Size: 1300 cc
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/brokenhill.htm

Skhul V
Species: Homo sapiens
Age: ~90,000 years
Brain Size: modern (~1350cc)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/skhul.html

Cro-Magnon 1
Species: Homo sapiens
Age: ~30,000 years
Brain Size: modern (~1350cc)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/cromagnon.html

Can you tell me why this group of fossils doesn't qualify as
"evidence for evolution"?

Cordially;

Friar Broccoli
Robert Keith Elias, Quebec, Canada Email: EliasRK (of) gmail * com
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--------- I consider ALL arguments in support of my views ---------

Homo-erectus is a child, does not cranial capacity increase when
adulthood is reached?

Homo erectus (no hyphen, as it's a species name) is known from many
fossils. The best preserved example was of an adolescent. The
cranial capacity of adolescents is almost the same as in adults.

And what happened to Neanderthal Man?

Neanderthals are considered to be a cousin species of human, not a
direct ancestor.


In any case, you have no mechanism to accomplish this miracle (= apes
morphing into men)

The mechanism is well known. It's variation (mostly by mutation) and
selection over generations. How is it that you don't know this?

which is based on rejection of Genesis miracles.

"Genesis miracles" are not science. There's no reason why any
scientist would assume them to be factual.

In
other words, you have no choice


Of course, there are many choices open to science. However this is
the one which best explains the evidence. "Genesis miracles" are not
the only choice open to science, and indeed is not a scientific option
at all.

..> Evolution is a one horse race since
it rejects Creationism as a competitor.


Creationism is not a "competitor" as far as science is concerned.
It's a religious belief. Evolution is not the only possible
"competitor" but it's the only one that's earned a place at the
"starting gate". If you want a second "horse" in the race, it too
has to be a scientific theory, not a religious opinion.

Nobody has ever provided a
satisfactory reply to these points that places the ball back into my
court.

Ray, the "points" you have been trying to make are false.


Waiting....

And ignoring the evidence, yet again.

DJT

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