Re: For Sean Pitman: Some real nested hierarchies

On Mar 14, 9:20 am, hersheyh <hershe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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That's only as far as the supposed time since the MRCA.  The different
branch points have been used as an argument that Neandertals should be
given a different species classification.  Of course, this argument
has political impliations as well for various modern races of humans.

Why would it?  What it would imply is that neanderthals arose from a
subgroup *within* an already locally diversified interbreeding human
species.  You keep trying to introduce the false idea that the
neanderthal subspecies or species *must* be primitive and ancestral to
advanced derived humans rather than, possibly, being derived from and
not ancestral to modern humans.  Survivor's guilt?

Simply the suggestion that Neandertals are a different "species" based
on differences in the origin of their proposed tree branch is
politically charged. It is the basis for a lot of conflict between
various races of modern humans. The suggestion that a particular
group of modern humans may not even be of the same "species" as
another group has a lot of implications - right or wrong. It has
nothing to do with "survivor guilt" at all. If you can't see that,
you don't know much about history.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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