Re: A glossary of Pitmanese

On Feb 20, 12:23 pm, Seanpit <seanpitnos...@naturalselection.
0catch.com> wrote:
On Feb 20, 9:13 am, Scooter the Mighty <Greyg...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Feb 20, 7:59 am, Seanpit <seanpitnos...@naturalselection.

0catch.com> wrote:
On Feb 20, 2:05 am, richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

"1000aa threshold" - a magic number beyond which evolution can't
happen

Let's just look at this first one.  You always start off such lists
with real winners!

The problem here is that this 1000aa threshold isn't just some magic
number beyond which evolution can't happen.  It is an observed
threshold beyond which evolution doesn't happen.  Evolution does
happen, demonstrably, all the time below this threshold.  But, as this
threshold is approached, evolution stalls out, exponentially until it
doesn't happen at all well before this threshold is reached.

This is an observed fact.  There simply is not argument here.  Look it
up if you don't believe me.  See if you can find a single example in
literature of any novel system evolving that requires at least 1000aa
working together at the same time.

I'm not sure how one would "look this up."  Who exactly observed
this?  Can you link to their paper, or provide a reference?  How do
you tell how many amino acids are "fairly specified?"

You "look it up" by checking the literature dealing with examples of
evolution in action to see if any of the known examples that we have
produce any novel systems of function that require a minimum
structural threshold of at least 1000aa to work.  If you can find just
one example at this level or beyond, you will falsify my position.
Plain and simple.

Now hold on a second here! You started this bit of thread with a
positive claim- that 1000 "fairly specified" amino acids was an
observed threshold beyond which nothing could evolve. I ask for
details about the observation (and you were the one who claimed there
was one) and now all of a sudden I have to search through the
literature and try to disprove it? How does that work? Is this in
fact an observation, or is it something that you made up that no one
has yet disproven, possibly because few people if anyone actually try
to determine how many amino acids in a protein are "fairly
specified"?

Should be easy to do if in fact any such examples are known to exist. Good
luck . . .

Yeah, it should be easy if scientists actually go through the work of
determing how many "fairly specified" amino acids are in the proteins
they study. Can you link me up with a paper where the number of
"fairly specified" amino acids are determined in a protein? For that
matter, can you link me up with a paper that shows that a protein with
1000 "fairly specified" amino acids actually exists? What is the
definition of "fairly specified?" It isn't a term that google scholar
seems to be familar with.

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Relevant Pages

  • Lets have some "Useless" math (that cant be an opinion)...
    ... Hoyle & Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space, p. 148. ... evolution to produce useable amino acids and proteins. ... Yet evolutionists tell us it is mutations which have produced ... development, known as "evolution," to produce useable protein. ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: Howard Hersheys Challenge of Sean Pitmans Assumptions
    ... fairly specified residues do exist. ... quickly when minimum structural threshold requirements are few (i.e., ... *part* of a protein that completely changes its target. ... repressors, other single-protein enzymes and the like), evolution is ...
    (talk.origins)
  • News: Surprising Details Of Evolution Of Protein Translation Revealed
    ... Surprising Details Of Evolution Of Protein Translation Revealed ... delivers amino acids to the protein-building machinery of the cell, ... tRNA had evolved together. ...
    (sci.bio.evolution)
  • Re: Lets have some "Useless" math (that cant be an opinion)...
    ... Hoyle & Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space, p. 148. ... evolution to produce useable amino acids and proteins. ... evolution from amongst those pesky mutations. ... development, known as "evolution," to produce useable protein. ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Cascading vs. Specified Systems
    ... threshold beyond which evolution doesn't happen. ... happen, demonstrably, all the time below this threshold. ... AtzA - 473 amino acids ... because you haven't met the specificity requirement. ...
    (talk.origins)
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