Re: In the News: Hitchens knocks intelligent design

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Ron O wrote:
On Jan 30, 8:02 pm, Emma Pease <e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

A first rate university has to allow its students (and its faculty) to
act like idiots if they so choose.  99% of the time they are idiots
but they might learn from the experience and 1% of the time they may
be seeing something we haven't yet seen and be right.  The last isn't
the case here though perhaps some of the students will learn.

Any student group (which only needs 3 people to form) can bring people
on-site to talk and Stanford has a moderate number of creationist
students (I suspect the numbers decline each year they are at
Stanford).  In this case the sponsors would probably have had to cough
up the money to pay for Dinkelspiel auditorium (mostly gotten back I
suspect by charging the attenders).

"The event was sponsored by
The Stanford Review - The student conservative newspaper
       http://stanfordreview.org/

the Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness club

Vox Clara: A Journal of Christian Thought at Stanford
"

But intelligent design doesn't have anything to do with religion.
Isn't that the lie the ID perps always tell? An IDEA club still
exists at Stanford? After the ID perps started running the bait and
switch on their own supporters and definitely after Dover, you'd think
that most of them would have folded up shop. This is the organization
started by Luskin (one of the chief liars over at the Discovery
Institute), but Luskin screwed up and required that all IDEA club
officers had to be Christian. It made it look like the organization
was just a front for ID's religious backers. It probably is just a
front for ID's religious backers.

Well it is certainly listed as a recognized student organization but
as mentioned it only takes 3 students to do that. I also did a
fairly good scouring and other than the mention in conjunction with
this event and on the IDEA main web site, I can't find any mention of
the club.

Note that some students do come from a fundamentalist background both
family and school so will be blinkered. With luck they will learn to
read critically at Stanford and what science is. However some come in
blinkered and leave blinkered.

What kind of person would support ID after the ID perps started
running a replacement scam that doesn't even mention that ID ever
existed? What do they talk about at the IDEA clubs, now? Was there
ever any ID science worth discussing? Do you think that they discuss
why the ID perps keep running in the bait and switch whenever any
rubes pop up and claim to want to teach the science of ID? Do they
discuss why the switch went in, in Florida instead of the wonderful
science of ID being taught? What switch scam do they get from the ID
perps, and why doesn't it even mention that ID ever existed? Have the
members switched over to the teach the controversy scam or do they
still support ID? What type of person would still be a member if an
intelligent design club that is affiliated with the dishonest ID perps
who are running the bait and switch scam on any creationist rube that
believed that they had something to teach about ID?

Well you can go to http://mygroups.stanford.edu/ and check. Tristan
Abbey seems to be the key figure and also seems to be involved in the
"Intelligent Design Undergraduate Research Center"
http://www.idurc.org/ and is an editor of the Stanford Review.

My guess is they aren't reading those sorts of articles. Note that
having this sort of event means that Stanford students might be
discussing the issue and some blinkers will have to be adjusted
(especially blinkers belonging to those who've just accepted
creationism and never really thought about it).

Emma


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