Re: Man Rules

On Jan 31, 9:56 am, Inez <savagemouse...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have found that guys who make a big deal about the need to go dutch
to usually not be worth the trouble, although guys who accept an offer
to go dutch are fine.

Well, " big deals " are a relative thing. And, given that we've been told
for over 40 years now that women should be paid the same as men,
why would anyone be surprised to find that the flip side of that
message is that women should have an equal shot at PAYING ?
CF: The Equal Pay Act of 1963.

It isn't really a matter of fairness or anyone being surprised.

Thats a very easy thing to say, when one is on the well advantaged
side...

The truth is that men and women don't approach dating the same way.
If you want to argue that this is because of socialization rather than
nature, well, I can't argue with you, I really don't know, but the
difference is there nonetheless, at least on average.

Thats all well and good, but its also quite irrelevent to my point.

I quite understand that men and women are different, including in
dating.
My point is that women, in a so called egalitarian age, are
hypocrites,
when they insist that men do the asking ( Which opens men up to lots
of rejection. ) as well as doing most/all of the paying.

I further suggest that, if women want men to do those things, then
demanding that women get paid the same as men is an attempt by
women to make a profit on the whole deal. Double dipping.

Equality means just that, and it means that men have NO obligation
to do most of the asking, and all of the paying.

I'll also point out that the Female Centered ( How do I show that ?
Easy; Show me a 600 page issue of Grooms Magazine. ) Wedding
Industry has a well publicised " tradition " wherin the *man* gets
the
lovely privilege of paying 3 months of his salary on a shiny thing
for
her. Wheres the " tradition " where she owes him a 3 month of her
salary for a gift for him ? Uh huh. Double dipping...

A lot of guys *want* to pay,

See, heres where women simply don't know jack *** about men.

No, we DON'T. We understand that, given that women DO view men
as " providers ", that we HAVE TO pony it up. This doesn't mean that
we're particularly happy about it. In fact, more and more men are
saying " No " to the whole deal. See " The Marriage Strike. " Its
even findable on Wikipedia. Thats a major reason why the marriage
rate in California fell about 25% between '02 and '04.

Also see
http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2003/0812.html
The Marriage Strike, August 12, 2003, by Wendy McElroy

and are uncomfortable if you don't let them.

Myth. A particularly self serving one, at that. Theres a reason that
Fleetwood Mac had a hit song called " Tell Me Sweet Little Lies "...

Most married or "in a live in relationship" guys don't do their
fair share of the housework,

Thats actually quite untrue. Further, since on average, women do
many fewer hours of paid work outside of the home, its only logical
that they should do more hours of work *in the home*, so that
both spouses end up with similar total hours worked, at home and
on the job. Thats an actual " fair share ".

and very very few want to stay home with the kids.

Grossly untrue. Read the intro to Dr., Warren Farrell's "The Myth Of
Male Power", pg. 20.

" In the past few years, I have asked more than 10,000 American
and Canadian men from all walks of life if they would *prefer* to
take off six months to a year after each child was born to be
involved with the child *full* time. *More than 80% of the men said
that full-time involvement with their children would be their
preference* -- but only if their wives approved and they weren't
hurting their families economically. ( About 17% of the men
prefer part-time involvement; about 3% prefer to remain
working full time. ) "

Your ignorance on this issue adds to my point; modern women
believe that they know a lot about men ( Just like creationists
believe that they know a lot about science ), and ( As with
creationists ) they are very, very, VERY wrong.

In my experience guys who are excessively militant about not paying
more than their fair share turn out to be selfish or self-centered.

Well, you are verifying that the misandrous sexism of "The Rules" is
alive and well among women... How about any concern for men who
have to shell out $$$ just for a woman to sit, eating a meal, paid for
by him, with them ?

I thought that sexism was supposed to be Bad. Apparently not, when
its sexism against men, by women.

Read the pair of works by Paul Nathanson & Katherine Young,
"Spreading Misandry; The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular
Culture", and "Legalising Misandry, From Public Shame to
Systemic Discrimination Against Men".

It's not that they're wrong on that issue, it's more that a guy who is
bitter about minor unfairness to himself by societies dating rules
even on a first date is a guy who is over sensitive about unfairness
to himself.

Since women are the far more " bitter about minor unfairness " sex,
I would suggest that removing one's logs might come ahead of
complaints about the splinters of others.

How do I back that up ? Easy. The number of out and out LIES
told about men by women and women's groups is huge.

Like the "men commit most/all of domestic violence". Turns out
that Erin Pizzey, the first woman to write about DV, and the first to
open a DV shelter in London, UK, when she found out that women
actually commit 50% of all DV ( All the way back in 1982- over
25 years ago ! ), and wrote about it, she got death threats from...
Feminists. For more on this, read Philip W. Cook's "Abused Men;
The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence". David Thomas' "Not
Guilty; The Case in Defense of Men" has more about Pizzey's
work and findings.

Like the "men get paid more than woman". No. Not only has
that been illegal and legally actionable since 1963, but its
noteworthy that this claim *used to be* "women get paid less
for the same work". That had to change, because it got blown
up. The illogic of it is, in these times of corporate penny pinching,
the notion that companies would pay men MORE for the same
work is insane. If companies could save 25% of their payrolls,
simply by firing the men and hiring women, that'd be a slam dunk.
Dr. Warren Farrell's "Why Men Earn More"has more information
on this old myth, and it's debunking.

See also http://glennsacks.com/blog/?cat=46,
The Pay Gap: 'If It's About Discrimination, Why Are Young Urban
Women Earning More?'

Just this week, NOW had this to say about Sen. Kennedy daring
to endorse someone other than Hillary Clinton:

http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_012808.html

PRESS RELEASES

Senator Kennedy Betrays Women by Not Standing
For Hillary Clinton for President January 28, 2008

And, so on...

It's tempting to offer a set of these rules and I might if I have
time, which right now I don't.

How about: Treat others as people, and they might just reciprocate?

That's just madness.

Why ? Serious question.

I was kidding.

OK.

Andre

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