Re: Does violating the laws of physics require intelligence?

On Jan 25, 3:10 pm, Treus <treusd...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Inez wrote:
On Jan 25, 2:15�pm, Treus <treusd...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Inez wrote:

But it seems to me that once you've decided to accept that the laws of
physics can be broken you no longer have any logical need to invoke
intelligence.  The original argument only applies assuming that the
laws of physics are definitive.  If they aren't and magic is possible,
causality becomes an illusion.  Why is it any more logical to believe
that God waved his hand and created a human than it is to believe that
a human just magically came into existance without God?  I submit that
the first is easier to accept only because we are used to the idea of
people making things using processes we don't understand.

The so-called "laws of physics" are constructed idealisms applicable
to a narrow, formally representable, range of circumstances.
Intelligence, or the mind, is not known to be constrained by those
conditions, so the "laws of physics" (which are its own invention)
either do not apply or do so only in the limiting case. This does not
mean the mind has a special exemption in regards to the effects it can
cause from completely defined physical starting conditions. What it
does mean however is the properties of the mind, as they interact with
matter, are undefined.

While I disagree with much of what you wrote, let's leave that aside
for a moment;  how does that relate to my point?

Maybe I mistook your post. I thought your point was about the
properties of intelligence (the mind) versus the "laws of physics" and
how there should (or must) be agreement between them. My point is the
two categories are effectively irreconcilable.- Hide quoted text -


I can sum my point up more succinctly.

IDers are, in essence, claiming that life required magic AND
intelligence to come into being (see my first post for why I think
so). Since magic can explain everything if it can explain anything,
there is no reason to claim that intelligence is required as well.

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