Re: Evolution of Intelligence Requires Natural "Quantum Computing"
- From: Kermit <unrestrained_hand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:58:44 -0800 (PST)
On Jan 22, 6:24 pm, Morpheal <morph...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Evolution of Intelligence Requires Natural "Quantum Computing"
To reiterate something I have said previously, but not as clearly and
concisely:
One of the conditions necessary for the evolution of natural
intelligence is the existence of what amounts to being natural quantum
computing.
This is not intuitively obvious to me. Perhaps you could offer your
reasoning, or even better, actual evidence supporting this peculiar
assertion?
The conservative nature of genetic material as to the
statistical occurrences of non lethal mutations, their manner of
occurrence, and their effects, is decisively inadequate (in a
multiplicity of ways) for the evolution of intelligence as we know it.
Why do you say that? I say otherwise. What evidence do you have that
even suggests I am wrong? My assertion is supported by the complete
lack of observations of quantum computing in the natural world. Also,
by the complete lack of evidence indicating that it is a necessary
prerequisite for the evolution of animal intelligence.
Rather than proposing the phlogiston style theory of "soul" imbued
into non living matter, we must look for the answer within the natural
world itself.
Phlogiston was a perfectly good scientific hypothesis which was
falsified:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory
Souls are another matter entirely. You are correct that they should
not be considered scientifically, because there is as yet no evidence
for them.
As I have asserted previously, the equivalent of software in a
computer, is most likely to be found at the quantum level, not at the
genetic level, of an organism.
1. Why do you say this?
2. What evidence do you have that organisms have computers except (by
some definitions) their brains?
This gains in importance as the
complexity of organisms increases.
As endothermy developed, the chemistry of organisms simplified. My
brain is more complex than a lizard's, but the set of enzymes in my
body is less complex. What data suggests your "quantum computing"
analog even exists, let alone reflects our neural complexity?
That equivalen of "computer
software" experiences modification more readily and more quickly than
the genetic code that provides the equivalent of the "blueprints of
life".
Data?
We add that relatively complex behaviours, and some forms of
anomalous memories (ie. verifiable memories of what seem to be past
lives and instances of knowledge not acquired in the present
lifetime),
When such stories are investigated, they turn out to be void of
credible content.
A fellow philosophy student (first year) told our dashing professor
that they had been lovers in a previous life, when they were Apache
Indians. She "remembered" him dying in her arms on a battlefield. But
she couldn't speak Apache, didn't know what they ate, couldn't make a
net or weave a basket or ride a horse.
are stored at the quantum level, not the genetic level and
new information, equivalent to mutations of the quantum memory system
in an organism, is passed on much more readily than it could possibly
be via the genetic code.
By what mechanism?
We must add that it is a much more orderly
storage and transfer of information than the much more random
mutations that are the basis of Darwinian type theories of evolution.
Evidence?
Without that more rapid and orderly "mutation" of inherent material
intelligence would never have evolved as it has, and in fact we claim
it would not have occurred at all. It is only because of natural
quantum computing, ie. orderly systematic information storage and
retrieval at the quantum level in the organism, that the occurrence
and evolution of intelligence is possible.
What evidence would falsify this hypothesis of yours?
This further implies that there is no radical division between non
living and living matter.
I don't know of any biologists who would claim otherwise.
The quantum principles pertaining to non
living matter are themselves the source of the evolution and
intelligence of living matter. It is a continuum, not a division of
two distinct types.
If you mean life to non-life, I agree. What quantum principles are you
talking about?
Bob Ezergailis
Hamilton, Canada
January 21, 2008
Kermit
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