Re: How Our Brains Ignore Unpleasant Facts was: Re: The Reasonable

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:20:19 -0800, Evopeach wrote:

On Jan 10, 12:01 pm, Garamond Lethe <cartographi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 10Jan2008 09:05:04 -0800, Evopeach wrote:
OnJan10, 9:00 am, Garamond Lethe <cartographi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 09Jan2008 16:38:09 -0800, Evopeach wrote:
OnJan9, 2:33 pm, Walter Bushell <pr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <47827fbc$0$26566$882e0...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
 Garamond Lethe <cartographi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 07Jan2008 11:09:36 -0800, Evopeach wrote:

OnJan7, 12:40 pm, Gene Poole <gene.po...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Evopeach wrote:
OnJan7,8:50 am, Augray <aug...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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God's universe is not particularly open to your
criticism.....He hardly needs advice from you.

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No but I am well acquainted with the scriptures and biblical
truth.

Then why act as though you're completely ignorant of them?  Please
point to your posts that you consider to be most Christlike, that
contain the most humility, that do not judge others, etc.

Being a biblical literalist implies at least some familiarity with
the Bible.  You're not even up to that level yet.

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Define literally...its a widely interpreted term.  wooden, rational,
thoughtful , etc.

I've noticed that when creationists realize they've lost an argument,
they retreat into the dictionary.  However, if you honestly don't
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If I ever lose an argument to an evo..alias scientific
neanderthal...I'll be sure and read Orwell.

Just curious -- how will you know when that happens?

One of the most important things a scientist ever learns is how to tell
when they're wrong.  The universe of bad ideas far outnumbers the good
ideas, and folks who latch on to a bad one and can't let go end up
wrecking their careers.

I have a Ph.D. advisory committee to help me with this, as well as my
doctoral advisor and fellow students.  There's an entire body of
literature that I'm now familiar with that lists what has worked and what
has failed.  I have, bless 'em, anonymous reviewers who have no
difficulty telling me exactly where and how I'm wrong.  And not least, I
attend conferences where I can get together with people who are working
in my field and compare notes.

How do you know when you're wrong?

Trying to figure it out for yourself is notoriously unreliable -- that's
why science has all of this institutional structure.  Normally I'd say
that doing a literature review is the quickest way to get grounded in
reality, but either you're not reading what you claim to be reading or
you're simply not understanding it.  

And that's the problem, I think.  You haven't shown any curiosity to find
out whether you're right or not.  I think you're afraid that you might be
wrong -- why else would you be posting here?  But testing your views
would require some heavy mental lifting, and you've decided it's not
worth the effort.

In short, you're lazy.

I'm still mystified when I run across folks like you.  I guess I was
raised to see knowledge as something valuable.  Three months ago I knew
nothing about the first few verses of Genesis and, using nothing more
than a few book recommendations I picked up from folks here and a good
university library, I can now tell when people like you are making things
up.  All it took was a bit of investment of my time and attention.

Think about that -- because I invested a dozen hours in reading for
understanding, I not only know the strengths and weaknesses of my
position, I know the strengths and weaknesses of your position, too.  You
don't have this knowledge, and so you can't even begin a debate.  You're
left with a handful of assertions and, when they run out, insults that I
might have found effective in junior high school.

For example:



Coming from the Newspeak crowd you're almost funny......if you weren't
pitiful.

Let me know when you have the courage to be curious.  There are a lot of
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Let's see now thirty-five years of adulthood reading at least one book
per week usually one fiction and one non-fiction, two
degrees, working on a third, five years in defense system
engineering , seven years in operations research and mgmt. sc., five
years in mineral economics and investment analysis, seven years in
executive mgmt., three years in retail management, seven years in
college level higher education. I'm sure your background and
experience is much broader.

Biology readings would include two college level text books, Blind
Watchmaker, Origin of Species, Panda's Thumb, Origins by R.
Shapiro,and lots of popular columns on evoland, Exons, Entrons and
Talking Genes by Wills , The Mind by Restak, The Incredible Machine
compendium, Biotic Message, Evolution A Theory in Crisis, Darwin's
Black Box.

Hawking, Kaufman, Penrose, and Wolf on QM to cover cosmology and new
physics.

All of Wilder-Smiths books, Gish on fossils, Andrew Snelling on
creation geology.

History includes Barzun's Dawn to Decadence, four of the Durant
series, Limburg & Numbers "God and Nature" (among several required HOS
books, Einstein "Ideas and Opinions", ............etc.

Theology includes Bible 5-6 translations, Lewis Sperry Schaffers
series on Systematic Theology, John Walvoord's OT and NT commentaries
with DTS writers, Barth's biblical essentials, Morris' Genesis
commentary, Waltke on Problem of Pain, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian
Apologetics, ........and lots more in my personal library.


Yes I can tell you have read completely biased sources recommended by
the evo crowd with a thin veneer of comprehension of historical
Christianity.

Your bloated egomaniac assertions and petty insults are of ZERO
gravitas.

You didn't answer his question. How do you know when you're wrong?

The more I read of you, the more you remind of another poster who
used to frequent this group, fellow who called himself "UC", for
"Uranium Committee". He was not a creationist. The resemblance
I see is that both of you appear to be dysfunctional narcissists.

UC was always telling us how smart he was. You are always telling
us how smart, rich, influential, respected, admired, and trenchantly
witty you are. UC was always telling us about his one actual
accomplishment, having a paper published. You are always telling us
about your one actual accomplishment, having a job. (Although on
closer examination that job history raises some questions.) For both
of you, your reason for being here is to get people to acknowledge
your surpassing wonderfulness, and you both melt down like a tired
four-year-old when that doesn't happen.

There was no point arguing with UC, and there's no point arguing
with you, because you're not here to get at the facts, you're
here to put on a show. As a show, your presence here does have
a certain entertainment value, but you don't really mean it to
be a comedy, do you?

Garamonde's essay above is really quite good. You should read it
sometime.

John

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