Re: The Reasonable Minority

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OnJan5,8:58 am, richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
OnJan5, 1:52 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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RM and NS ...relegated to the dust bin of scientific history
by 2010.
We'll see in two years time.
Here's a start on your team's education ...should we put you on
suicide watch?
Does Shapiro deny that evolution occurs?
Well?
[snip most of publication list]
Shapiro JA. 2007. Bacteria are small but not stupid: cognition,
natural genetic engineering and sociobacteriology. Studies in
History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 38
(2007) 807- 819.
Here's a challenge for you: Explain what problems the contents of
this paper poses for evolution.
Just that bacteria are among the quote oldest life forms evos trot
out. Thus the enormous complexity of their genetic capacity for
change, QA , rearrangement for adaptation absent RM flies in the
face of your theory.
How?
Thus all of the development of this informational systematic highly
integrated functionality would have evolved in a much shorter
period of time than fits the standard secenario.
What makes you think that the first bacteria had this functionality?
What makes you think that bacteria haven't been evolving since they
first appeared?
And RM
would have apparently had little to do with it.
Why?
And its also true for
prokaryotes.
Bacteria *are* prokaryotes!!! Sheesh! How do you expect anyone to
take you seriously when you make boneheaded statements like that?
You claim to be scientifically literate, but it's painfully obvious
that you don't know what you're talking about.
My mistake I meant eukayrotes.
And for the rest of the questions?- Hide quoted text -
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I refer you to the source so that you can read, reflect and avoid the
usual hipshooting triva you post.
http://online.itp.ucsb.edu/online/infobio01/shapiro1/
That's your source? Oh, dear.

You wouldn't be able to suggest anything peer-reviewed, would you?- Hide quoted text -

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Shapiro in particular.

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Oh, please. You don't expect anyone to believe you've actually read any of these, do you? Where did you get this list, and what do you think it means?

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