Re: Orientation of dinosaur bones.
- From: richardalanforrest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 01:29:43 -0800 (PST)
On Jan 5, 12:09 am, Jim Willemin <jim***willemin@hot***mail.com>
Inez <savagemouse...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:de41a290-a7e6-4e25-af49-
On Jan 4, 12:37 pm, richardalanforr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
From Sean's site:
"As far as the fossilized bones of large animals, such as the
dinosaurs and large mammals, they are also generally oriented in the
same direction for any given layer, and this is true the world over."
Can you provide a reference to support this assertion, Sean? I have
been collecting fossils and reading books and papers on the subject
for 40 years, and have never come across such an assertion.
A search in google scholar doesn't seem to offer much support either:
<snip of references>
Even if true, how would that support a flood model?
I myself would surely like to know how the flood had currents. Since
the rainfall was catastrophic, teh runoff must have scoured any exposed
areas to bedrock (cf. hydraulic mining) - thus teh fluvial flood model
is inapporpriate. What we are left with, then, are tidal currents as a
model for deposition during the Flood... and I rather suspect that some
quick calculations (which I am too lazy to do right now) might prove
illuminating in putting bounds on velocities.
The thought just struck me - where are the catastrophic inflow channels
in large enclosed basins with internal drainage (e.g. Salt Lake, Death
Valley, Dead Sea)? We see catastrophic outflow channels from glacial
Lake Bonneville and glacial Lake Missoula, for instance - where are the
catastrophic inflow channels?
I think that the source for this that Arthur Chadwick's flood model,
which you can find here:
It's a peculiar mixture of perfectly conventional palaeogeography and
some rather wierd assertions dressed up in technical terms to comfort
creationist readers with the idea that this is *real* science. For
example, we have the sentence "The patterns of paleocurrents observed
in the Paleozoic largely reflect these basinward trends, generally
heading across and along geoclinal axes.". A simpler way of saying the
same thing would be to say that water in the Paleozoic flowed downhill
to the sea.
He has a habit of making statements which beg so many questions that
the mind boggles. For example "At the onset of the flood, rain water
accumulated for many days, absorbed into the ground, and flowed down
toward the seas." We are talking of enough water to cause major
changes in sea level in his model, but are expected to simply take on
trust that rainfall could produce such an innundation.
He presents the utterly bizarre idea that decreasing salinity,
increased turbation and changes in temperature of the water in the sea
"resulted in the precise and successive destruction of various life
forms in the water column, as their limits of toleration were
reached." You don't need much knowledge of geology to recognise this
as simply ridiculous.
"The end of the Paleozoic and the beginning of Mesozoic was signaled
by the breaching of the coastal margins by the rising saline waters of
the Ocean. " He has previously asserted that the rise in sea levels
was caused by rainfall and "breaching of the hydrologic system." The
hydrologic system is a model of how water circulates in the
atmosphere, living organisms, on land and in the seas. I have no idea
of how this could be "breached". What he seems to be saying is that
sea levels rose because of the water flowing off the land, and that
the level of the sea rose until it was *higher* than the land so that
water started to flow *back* onto the land. There are certain issues
of rather basic logic here.
I'm perhaps guilty of cherry-picking here, but this rather stunned me:
"When ocean floor is subducted on one side of a continent, it must be
regenerated on the other side of the continent. This regeneration may
involve the continent overriding the ocean floor, or the expulsion of
massive quantities of molten magma into the ocean floor. In either
case, the process is considered to involve the production of heat or
"The continent overriding the ocean floor" is *subuction*! As for the
" expulsion of massive quantities of molten magma into the ocean
floor", why yes. This is what happens at mid-ocean ridges. We can
watch it happening.
This is from someone *teaches* geology. God help his students.
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