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On Dec 20 2007, 2:29 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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I don't know if ou're noticed but classes on ID and inclusion of ID in
other classes is already in place in several notable public
universities. I assure there are more to follow as the word gets
out ...go Ben go!
Mr. Peach, are you ever going to get around to telling us which
notable public universities have classes on ID and also telling us
whether or not it is taught as pseudo-science?

If not, can Ben go out and do this? Or is Ben already gone?

---DPM

Try this highly technical maneuver... google Intelliegent Design
Classes and scroll through them or hire a monkey to do it for you.

LOL!!!

Apparently you didn't do the search *even* with correct spelling of
"intelligent" yourself...  :)
Ok, my estimation that you're just another fraud and a dishonest religious
freak got even *more* confirmation.

I scrolled through the first 10 pages (100 hits) and found 1 philosophy
class at Knox College teaching Intelligent Design. Not quite in the "notable
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Notable is in the eye of the beholder.
http://www.researchintelligentdesign.org/wiki/ID_at_the_academy

Ok, I've taken an hour and gone through a lot of those. Nothing
promoting ID as a science there.

Care to try again?

--
Bob.

Naturally, I note the intent is not to "promote" science of ID as it
is to discuss it in various thematic ways, examine its claims and
stregths and weaknesses, etc. That's how paradigm shifts begin and
expand..wide exposure to open minded audiences. You didn't really
think we'd start with the dunderhead biology types did you? Your idea
of a new science would be wearing foil hats.

Evolution has to be constantly " romoted", shined up , spiffied,
marketed, and such because of its vacuous nature and lack of real
content.

That's interesting.  Let's start with the standard evidence for
evolution as presented in college textbooks, and you can detail the
faults of each one.  Hmm. The one I'm most familiar with, Campbell &
Rees, starts with about 2 billion years of fossils. If you have an
issue with the age of the earth, now's the time to bring it up.

It's an unsettled issue with me but I respect OEC for sure.

Why?

Then say why, if there are fossils of organisms that are no longer alive,
and the organisms that are alive are not present in the ancient fossil
record, why evolution is not a reasonable answer.

There are species which appear unchanged for millions of years except
in size or other minor changes. Stasis followed by rapid periods of
change is called PE. and radiation.

So what?

Then we can move on
to comparative anatomy: why do apparently related organisms have
similar anatomies, and they becomes progressively more dissimilar as
the degree of purported relationship decreases.

Purely tautalogical..how do you know the're apparently
related..because they have similar anatomies..why do they have similar
anatomies..because there closely related.

Then why do creationists do *exactly* the same thing when it comes to
placing creatures in baramins?

They don't... a holobaramin is membered by animals that have a common
decent and are highly integrated and interbreed together with all the
decendent progeny.

You should tell that to Liberty University. The abstract of an honours
thesis athttp://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/honors/3/divides the
"galliforms" (a group of roughly 250 species) into a mere two
holobaramins, and doesn't rely exclusively on the results of
interbreeding.

Bwahahaha! Oh man, that's funny.

Also, many creationists accept that Homo erectus belonged to the human
holobaramin, yet I'm unaware of any interbreeding studies that have
been done.

After that comes biogeography: why do organisms that are related
appear close to one  another, except in cases of continental drift?

Like all the chimps in North America for instance. Of course you all
encompassing refuge is whenever its untrue you can envoke drift...
unfalsifiable by caveat.

So you don't believe in Continental Drift?

I do but having it strictly to claim to explain any and all
discredencies in your proximate similarity statement is an excuse
mechanism.

Continental Drift does not exist to explain supposed evolutionary
discrepancies. But feel free to explain how it does, and why you
accept it if it only exists to prop up evolution.

[snip]

Yiour tasmanian wolf recently extinct in AU is very dog like but they
did not arise from a common ancestor.

Well, not a recent common ancestor.

They are used to display so
called convergence thus an escape mechanism like  the 40 some
independent developments of highly similar eyes.

So, you believe that similar needs require radically different
anatomies? There are, after all, only so many ways to build a camera.

Convergence is the
antithesis of your argument and evos invoke it constantly because your
statement is not displayed or confirmed with great frequency. Whales
are quite similar in appearance to fish.....no common ancestor.

Note the "in appearance" part of that last sentence. As far as
internal anatomy goes, whales are radically different from fish. Lungs
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I believe the message is that life demands one designer,not many, with
significant novelty to prohibit any natural explanation for its origin
and diversity

Why so many beetles then?

And can you explain blood flukes to me, from a design perspective?

Mark

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