Re: How Our Brains Ignore Unpleasant Facts was: Re: The Reasonable

On Jan 3, 5:33 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 3, 3:17 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jan 3, 3:16 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Jan 2, 6:32 pm, murd...@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Dec 20 2007, 2:29 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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I don't know if ou're noticed but classes on ID and inclusion of ID in
other classes is already in place in several notable public
universities. I assure there are more to follow as the word gets
out ...go Ben go!
Mr. Peach, are you ever going to get around to telling us which
notable public universities have classes on ID and also telling us
whether or not it is taught as pseudo-science?

If not, can Ben go out and do this? Or is Ben already gone?

---DPM

Try this highly technical maneuver... google Intelliegent Design
Classes and scroll through them or hire a monkey to do it for you.

LOL!!!

Apparently you didn't do the search *even* with correct spelling of
"intelligent" yourself... :)
Ok, my estimation that you're just another fraud and a dishonest religious
freak got even *more* confirmation.

I scrolled through the first 10 pages (100 hits) and found 1 philosophy
class at Knox College teaching Intelligent Design. Not quite in the "notable
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Notable is in the eye of the beholder.
http://www.researchintelligentdesign.org/wiki/ID_at_the_academy

Ok, I've taken an hour and gone through a lot of those. Nothing
promoting ID as a science there.

Care to try again?

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Naturally, I note the intent is not to "promote" science of ID as it
is to discuss it in various thematic ways, examine its claims and
stregths and weaknesses, etc. That's how paradigm shifts begin and
expand..wide exposure to open minded audiences. You didn't really
think we'd start with the dunderhead biology types did you? Your idea
of a new science would be wearing foil hats.

Evolution has to be constantly " romoted", shined up , spiffied,
marketed, and such because of its vacuous nature and lack of real
content.

That's interesting. Let's start with the standard evidence for
evolution as presented in college textbooks, and you can detail the
faults of each one. Hmm. The one I'm most familiar with, Campbell &
Rees, starts with about 2 billion years of fossils. If you have an
issue with the age of the earth, now's the time to bring it up.

It's an unsettled issue with me but I respect OEC for sure.


OK There's a start. Why is it unsettled? To what do you object about a
4.5 billion year old earth? Do you think there's substantive evidence
against it? What would that be?


>Then say why, if there are fossils of organisms that are no longer
alive,

and the organisms that are alive are not present in the ancient fossil
record, why evolution is not a reasonable answer.

There are species which appear unchanged for millions of years except
in size or other minor changes. Stasis followed by rapid periods of
change is called PE. and radiation.

Which species are those, please? Also, note that a few million years
is not very long for a species to be around, especially invertebrates.
One source I saw said that the average time to extinction for mammals
was around 2.5 million years.


Then we can move on

to comparative anatomy: why do apparently related organisms have
similar anatomies, and they becomes progressively more dissimilar as
the degree of purported relationship decreases.

Purely tautalogical..how do you know the're apparently
related..because they have similar anatomies..why do they have similar
anatomies..because there closely related.

Nonsense. We look at their anatomies, see similarities, examine other
types of evidence- like gene sequences- and base our estimates of
relatedness on the data.

Oh and what you describe is not a tautology, but circular reasoning.
There is a difference.



After that comes biogeography: why do organisms that are related
appear close to one another, except in cases of continental drift?

Like all the chimps in North America for instance.

What a silly statement. Why on earth should there be chimps in North
America- because humans are here? Do you have any substantive
objections to biogeography?

Of course you all
encompassing refuge is whenever its untrue you can envoke drift...
unfalsifiable by caveat.

Wrong again. Biologists don't get to make up the pathways of
continental drift. That's why we have geologists, you know. It came as
quite a relief to biologists when the geologists got their act
together and showed that, for instance, South America and Australia
were once rather intimately connected. It answered a few things that
had had people stumped for a while- look up the distribution of
members of the genus _Nothofagus_ for instance.


Why should genetically similar species almost always be found in
proximity to one another, except in the cases I mentioned?

Same answer...unfalsifiable caveat.

Same response- you're wrong.


Finally, we can look at the molecular evidence: proteins and DNA. It
seems reasonable to conclude common descent in light of the work on
proteins, and especially on DNA.

If you don't think so, please tell us why- be sure to include plenty
of

references to the primary literature, since really, that's what you're
refuting.

Primary literature is defined as only that literature acceptable top
you. What's is acceptable to you...that literature that agrees with
your predisposed conclusions.

Evasion noted. As a matter of fact, all of your evasions are noted.
Thank you and have a happy new year.

Chris




Thank you. We're still looking forward to your paper, and your
explanations of the workings of baramins- cockapoos and coyotes,
remember?

Happy New Year.

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