Re: The Reasonable Minority

On Dec 29, 11:19 am, Grandbank <zetetic...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 28, 10:39 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Dec 28, 9:51 pm, Grandbank <zetetic...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 28, 4:45 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 28, 5:54 pm, Ernest Major <{$t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Grandbank <zetetic...@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes

On Dec 28, 12:26 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can your Harvard trained PhD with extensive peer reviewed publications
(400 he says), over at University of Arizona enter your contest. He's
the firm believer in intelligent evolution, G.O.D. as I recall, and
conducts all sorts of psychokinetic, paranormal, extrasensory
experiments there at U of A.

He's your guy, an evo, and wrote a lot of books as well for your
consumption like the God Experiments. He is certainly no
fundamentalist or Christian or IDer.

Aren't you proud of him....let him get that million.

WTF are you talking about?

KP

Google is our friend.

He's referring to Gary E.R. Schwartz, a parapsychologist at the
University of Arizona, and author of the book "The G.O.D. Experiments".
I don't know on what grounds he identifies him as being an "evo", as
being a non-Christian, or being a non-IDer. (Non-fundamentalist seems to
be likely.) There may be some confusion with Gary T. Schwartz, an
anthropologist at Arizona State University.

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Grounds like his own words "intelligent evolution"  and he's Harvard
trained in psychiatry I believe with supporting scientific undergrad
word.  Says he has 400 published papers in journals in the field.

And this has what to do with your original reference to Randi?  Are
you trying to draw some bizarre conclusion from a particular
individual's acceptance of both evolution and the paranormal?

Or are you, as usual, just trying to distract us away from the fact
that you shot out a reference to someone or something without really
understanding the implications of same?

We also must again note your hopeless infatuation with the argument
from authority.

I remain as always,
Your humble superior,

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Nope just illustrating that evos have plenty of people in their own
camp of peer reviewed PhD's who have some ratrher dubious theories
under the evo tent that bear watching.

Could you bring me a fresh idiot Jeeves

"Camp of peer reviewed PhD's"?  What exactly are you talking about?
This style of spittle spraying gibberish is only of interest to
someone who views everything in terms of the argument from authority.
I know it is futile to hope you might ever understand this, but
concepts like peer review apply to carefully defined areas of
knowledge.  Where you got the idea that doing verifiable research in a
particular field prevents an individual from believing in ESP or
hobgoblins or any other type of idiocy in their spare time escapes
me.  That is rather the whole point of the scientific process - to as
much as possible separate the *man* from the *information*.  Should
the person you are talking about introduce ghosts into his biology the
review process would presumably bring him up short and point out to
him that by conflating his beliefs or hopes or superstitions with his
science he had degenerated into, well, someone who thinks like *you*.

This is a particularly inept argument on your part in any event, since
it does illustrate the principle that scientists as individuals can be
believers in whatever they choose - even ESP, even Christianity! - and
be well respected at their properly executed work.  Your view that the
scientific world is divided into "camps", defined for God knows what
reason on the basis of their views about evolutionary biology,
reflects nothing but your own inability to separate your beliefs from
science.  As you have inadvertently illustrated (ever notice how all
your good points are inadvertent and contrary to your stated
premises?), real scientists are able to accept good work without
reference to the personal beliefs or other activities of the
researcher.  Kind of gives us an idea how truthful Stein's upcoming
movie is likely to be, doesn't it?

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Then why do entries on this forum refer to ID proponents as pseudo-
scientists, frauds, liars, non-researchers, incompetents, unpublished
in respected journals?

Lets try this entry from DI Fellows list ......you know those people
you love to hate.........I expect ad hominems galore

Dr. Bohlin was born and raised in Chicago, IL and is a graduate of the
University of Illinois (B.S., zoology, 1971-1975), the University of
North Texas (M.S., population genetics, 1977-1980), and the University
of Texas at Dallas (M.S., Ph.D., molecular and cell biology,
1984-1991).

Bohlin, Raymond G. and Beitinger, Thomas L., 1979. Heat exchange in
the aquatic salamander, Amphiuma means. J. Thermal Biology 4:63-67.

Bohlin, Raymond G. and Zimmerman, Earl G. 1982. Genic differentiation
of two chromosome races of the Geomys bursarius complex. Journal of
Mammalogy 63:218-228

Bohlin, Raymond G. 1991. Complementation of a defect in complex I of
the electron transport chain by DNA-mediated gene transfer. Ph.D.
dissertation, University of Texas at Dallas.


Paul K. Chien is Professor of Biology. He received his B.S. in both
Biology and Chemistry from Chung Chi College, N.T., Hong Kong, and his
Ph.D. from the University of California, Irvine. Prof. Chien is
interested in the physiology and ecology of inter-tidal organisms. His
research has involved the transport of amino acids and metal ions
across cell membranes and the detoxification mechanisms of metal ions.

RI: As you became more interested in this and discovered more about
it, did you find it really was an "explosion of life"?

Chien: Yes. A simple way of putting it is that currently we have about
38 phyla of different groups of animals, but the total number of phyla
discovered during that period of time (including those in China,
Canada, and elsewhere) adds up to over 50 phyla. That means [there
are] more phyla in the very, very beginning, where we found the first
fossils [of animal life], than exist now.

Stephen J. Gould, [a Harvard University evolutionary biologist], has
referred to this as the reverse cone of diversity. The theory of
evolution implies that things get more and more complex and get more
and more diverse from one single origin. But the whole thing turns out
to be reversedwe have more diverse groups in the very beginning, and
in fact more and more of them die off over time, and we have less and
less now.

RI: What information is the public hearing or not hearing about the
Cambrian explosion?

Chien: The general impression people get is that we began with micro-
organisms, then came lowly animals that don't amount to much, and then
came the birds, mammals and man. Scientists were looking at a very
small branch of the whole animal kingdom, and they saw more complexity
and advanced features in that group. But it turns out that this
concept does not apply to the entire spectrum of animals or to the
appearance or creation of different groups. Take all the different
body plans of roundworms, flatworms, coral, jellyfish and whateverall
those appeared at the very first instant.

Most textbooks will show a live tree of evolution with the groups
evolving through a long period of time. If you take that tree and chop
off 99 percent of it, [what is left] is closer to reality; it's the
true beginning of every group of animals, all represented at the very
beginning.



Cornelius G. Hunter is a graduate of the University of Illinois where
he earned a Ph.D. in Biophysics. He is Adjunct Professor of Biophysics
at Biola University
Dr. Hunter's research interests include optimal estimation and control
of nonlinear systems and molecular biophysics. Dr. Hunter's interest
in the theory of evolution involves both the scientific, historical
and theological aspects of the theory.


Wolfgang Smith graduated at age 18 from Cornell University with a B.A.
in mathematics, physics, and philosophy. Two years later he took an
M.S. in theoretical physics at Purdue University. After receiving a
Ph.D. in mathematics from Columbia University, Dr. Smith held
professorial positions at M.I.T., U.C.L.A., and Oregon State
University until his retirement in 1992.

Siegfried Scherer is the Director of the Institute of Microbiology. He
is a noted critic of Darwinism and has done research on genetic "basic
types" from a design perspective.

[edit]Career
Scherer studied biology and received his Ph.D 1983 from the University
of Konstanz. In his doctoral thesis he studied photosynthesis and
respiration of cyanobacteria. He begun to work as researcher in the
University Konstanz in 1983. He received BYK company's research award
in 1984. Between 1987-1988 DAAD reseach scolarship at the Virginia
Tech Department of Biochemistry. 1991 habilitation at University of
Konstanz in plant physiology and microbial ecology. Professor of
microbial ecology at the Technical University of Munich and director
of the FML Weihenstephan Institute of Microbiology since 1991









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