Re: The Reasonable Minority

On Dec 28, 10:39 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 28, 9:51 pm, Grandbank <zetetic...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Dec 28, 4:45 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 28, 5:54 pm, Ernest Major <{$t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Dec 28, 12:26 pm, Evopeach <keaton1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can your Harvard trained PhD with extensive peer reviewed publications
(400 he says), over at University of Arizona enter your contest. He's
the firm believer in intelligent evolution, G.O.D. as I recall, and
conducts all sorts of psychokinetic, paranormal, extrasensory
experiments there at U of A.

He's your guy, an evo, and wrote a lot of books as well for your
consumption like the God Experiments. He is certainly no
fundamentalist or Christian or IDer.

Aren't you proud of him....let him get that million.

WTF are you talking about?

KP

Google is our friend.

He's referring to Gary E.R. Schwartz, a parapsychologist at the
University of Arizona, and author of the book "The G.O.D. Experiments".
I don't know on what grounds he identifies him as being an "evo", as
being a non-Christian, or being a non-IDer. (Non-fundamentalist seems to
be likely.) There may be some confusion with Gary T. Schwartz, an
anthropologist at Arizona State University.

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Grounds like his own words "intelligent evolution" and he's Harvard
trained in psychiatry I believe with supporting scientific undergrad
word. Says he has 400 published papers in journals in the field.

And this has what to do with your original reference to Randi? Are
you trying to draw some bizarre conclusion from a particular
individual's acceptance of both evolution and the paranormal?

Or are you, as usual, just trying to distract us away from the fact
that you shot out a reference to someone or something without really
understanding the implications of same?

We also must again note your hopeless infatuation with the argument
from authority.

I remain as always,
Your humble superior,

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Nope just illustrating that evos have plenty of people in their own
camp of peer reviewed PhD's who have some ratrher dubious theories
under the evo tent that bear watching.

Could you bring me a fresh idiot Jeeves


"Camp of peer reviewed PhD's"? What exactly are you talking about?
This style of spittle spraying gibberish is only of interest to
someone who views everything in terms of the argument from authority.
I know it is futile to hope you might ever understand this, but
concepts like peer review apply to carefully defined areas of
knowledge. Where you got the idea that doing verifiable research in a
particular field prevents an individual from believing in ESP or
hobgoblins or any other type of idiocy in their spare time escapes
me. That is rather the whole point of the scientific process - to as
much as possible separate the *man* from the *information*. Should
the person you are talking about introduce ghosts into his biology the
review process would presumably bring him up short and point out to
him that by conflating his beliefs or hopes or superstitions with his
science he had degenerated into, well, someone who thinks like *you*.

This is a particularly inept argument on your part in any event, since
it does illustrate the principle that scientists as individuals can be
believers in whatever they choose - even ESP, even Christianity! - and
be well respected at their properly executed work. Your view that the
scientific world is divided into "camps", defined for God knows what
reason on the basis of their views about evolutionary biology,
reflects nothing but your own inability to separate your beliefs from
science. As you have inadvertently illustrated (ever notice how all
your good points are inadvertent and contrary to your stated
premises?), real scientists are able to accept good work without
reference to the personal beliefs or other activities of the
researcher. Kind of gives us an idea how truthful Stein's upcoming
movie is likely to be, doesn't it?


KP

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